Hazro - Any Update?

But, and i'm hoping the other 24wi owners can help me here, i have a problem with it. I get banding on vertical gradients. This is an odd thing, because i get no banding on horizontal gradients such as the grayscale test at lagom.nl.
Could a fellow hz24wi owner try either or both of the following...
download checkemon and try the 'Color Spectrum' test image - http://www.ykwong.com/checkemon.html
I made a screengrab of the same image in png24 format here - http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=colorspecpy4.png

Ugh, yeah, that's nasty.

I also tried the grey banding test from lagom.nl that someone mentioned.

Looks fine in the normal orientation, but if you rotate it - ewww!

Short video clip demonstrating it here:
http://www.eat.myzen.co.uk/tmp/Hazro2.mov

I think a phone call to Hazro in the morning to see what they say. Hopefully it's something they can offer a simple fix for, otherwise it'll be going back in the box... :(

Jim
 
Does anyone get the feeling that the brightness control isn't dimming the backlights, but is actually just changing the colours on the screen? Could be why it's so much hotter, even at moderate brightness settings, and why it doesn't go particularly dark.

Having spent a couple of hours playing around with the settings, I don't think it can be adjusting the brightness by just changing the colours. When I was viewing the colour spectrum image that checkemon produces, even when it was showing quite excessive banding adjusting the brightness did not have any affect on the bands. Where as small changes to the RGB colour settings had quite a drastic affect...

Jim
 
Having spent a couple of hours playing around with the settings, I don't think it can be adjusting the brightness by just changing the colours. When I was viewing the colour spectrum image that checkemon produces, even when it was showing quite excessive banding adjusting the brightness did not have any affect on the bands. Where as small changes to the RGB colour settings had quite a drastic affect...

Jim

As I say if you can force the monitor not to start at "Video" for the input source you can cycle through all the other available inputs, HDMI,Component,Digital,and Anologue like you ort to be able.

As for the banding with CheckeMON color spectrum its deffinately a calibration problem.
Ive managed to get rid of of them completely by adjusting a few settings in the menu.
Brightness 50, contrast 47
color temp set to user Red 72 Green 66 Blue 75.
Whether they`ll work for anybody else and how accurate the colour is, god only knows... well a spyder would too I spose and I also think if you want the best out of this monitor it needs calibrating with propper kit.

Did you try these. gets rid of it all together for me
 
Did you try these. gets rid of it all together for me


The clip I posted was with Brightness, Contrast, Sharpness and RGB all set to 50. This gets rid of almost all the banding in the colour spectrum image from checkemon, but as you can see something odd is still going on with the grey scales.

Just uploading another clip. If I zoom in on the greyscale gradient image and rotate - no banding!

http://www.eat.myzen.co.uk/tmp/Hazro4.mov

That one's a fair bit bigger (44Mb!) so it'll take a little while for it to upload... :D

Jim
 
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Hi all, sorry i've been out all day, only just had chance to catch up on things.

I've since checked the screen on a fresh windows xp install to rule out color profile issues, and also on a friend's computer to rule out display card as the problem. They own a CRT, and like my old CRT, no such problems on checkemon.

I've just tried the 50 brightness 47 contrast, 72r 66g 75b trick, and also 50rgb settings, and it reduces the banding, but i think that's because it drops the contrast level by a similar degree.

I think i've ruled out every possibility except the dvi cable and the monitor itself. I don't know enough about DVI signalling to say if a bad dvi cable could cause this issue, tho i suspect a bad dvi cable is more likely to show digital errors such as pixels missing red green or blue data entirely.

I did a bit of research last night before bed, and some testing with different things. Here's a gradient image that shows the issue up nicely -

http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greengradgf4.png

With the right OSD settings, typically factory defaults, the horizontal gradient has no banding. But with any combination of OSD settings the vertical gradient banding will remain. If you download the image and rotate it 90 degrees, the gradient orientations switch and the previously banded gradient is fine, but the other one is now banded instead. The value for each pixel in the image is identical, only their orientation on the screen changed, which to me says this is not gamma or calibration related, but purely down to image processing performed by the screen.

You can further test this by moving the cursor around the image and noting the 'smear' effect on the bands directly below the cursor. Another interesting effect can be done in photoshop where you create a hard edged large diameter brush (about 3 bands in width) and paint a solid circle over the banded gradient. Around the sides of the circle, the bands dissapear, as if the shape next to the gradient disrupts the banding effect. Just like the cursor effect, there is a also a column of smear on the bands directly below the circle too.

Slightly less empirical but visible to me is that the bands seem to be inverted bars of gradient, where in a gradient that goes top to bottom dark to light, each band is a smaller gradient of light to dark.

Personally i'm almost certain now that the problem is down to image processing performed by the screen. A little bit of research on 'genesis banding' shows the issues when the dell 2405 was replaced by the 2407 which used the genesis chip. Firmware updates were done to remove horizontal banding (caused by faroudja video processing being enabled when the monitor was in 'desktop' mode), but still left noticeable vertical banding. I can't find the page i was looking at last night but it was shown that entering the service menu and disabling ACC fixed the gradient problem. The hazro uses a Genesis chip and depending on the chip used, may have either ACC and/or faroudja enabled -

http://www.gnss.com/prod_lcd_mon.phtml

Unless there's a way to enter a service menu on the hazro's, there's no real way to find out. Personally i think it's more likely to be ACC than faroudja related.

I actually came across this problem by accident, testing my hazro in 3dsmax, i happened to use a simple gradient shader. Aside from these synthetic tests, i haven't seen the banding cause an issue in any photographs or movies, however the banding is revealed in one game i play with a simple grey-black gradient background on it's toolbar.

myshkinbob: Would like to ask you a question as I see you too have owned the digimate 24". I sold mine after a week because it's brightness burned out my eyes.

Now I read about possible trouble with the hz24wi brightness. Is the Hazro equally bright ?

The hazro is quite bright by default, although it doesn't feel as harsh on the eyes as the digimate 24". I'd say it's still too bright though, just not like staring into the sun like the digimate was. The image quality is also vastly superior, with excellent dark details and colours are much more natural, especially skintones.
 
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I've had a recalibrating session which lasted 2 hours whilst I found the most eye friendly default settings then calibrated using CEDP and got:

coloreyes2.jpg


Best results yet and a keeper!

I also fond out that the Demo of CEDP runs forever. Ok it's a 10day 10 run demo but if you uninstall and reinstall those runs reset :D

Insanely accurate colours ***!
 
mrk....or any others who may know the answer!
I had green flashing lines on the screen yesterday,switched the monitor off and back on and they were gone
they came back again today, so I ran the dead pixel test (full screen single colour), when displaying the full screen of colour the lines were not there, but when returning to the desktop the lines were there, switched off the monitor and they were gone again
does this still sound like a problem with the cable?
I may buy another to try it but tbh wouldv'e hoped the cable supplied would be of good enough quality

no issues apart from this....couldn't get 1080p to work with my ps3 using a 10m hdmi cable, but works fine with a shorter cable so I'm putting thaqt down to the cable being poor quality/not supporting 1080p

edit...these lines appeared again....this time they showed up on the dead pixel test screens, on the white and blue colours
 
Have you tried swapping the cable like I mentioned? I had the lines with the supplied cable but fixed it by using another thicker DVI cable.

To confirm though, the only issue I have experience thus far is the OSD ergonomics are a bit....un-ergonomic :p It's nothing major but just an annoyance especially if you calibrate at regular intervals.

Everything else is spot on pretty much.
 
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I don't have another cable...will try one but just thought i'd post what hgappened tonight to see if it tied in with what problems a cable could give
how much was your cable? not one of these 50 quid monster cable jobs is it?
 
I checked that chekemon test, and I had some slight horizontal banding too. I checked my colour temps, they were all set to 95 on the OSD (that is how it was shipped to me). Is it bad to have the temps this high? I don't know about this stuff.

I was able to completely remove the banding by reducing green temp to 64. Therefore I reduced red and blue to 64, just to balance up with it. It this the right thing to do? Someone please explain briefly what having the temps in the 60s means. Does having high temps damage the monitor if they are in the 90s?

Now that the temps are all 64, the overall image looks 'duller'...not necessarily worse. Reminds me more of how my Sun Microsystems CRT was. That was one of the best CRTs you could get, but is this just accurate callibration or what? do I then go to adjust the brightness/contrast or what?

What is a good downloadable calibration tool?
 
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@devilkazuya

Some links for you re: calibration, colour temperature etc.

http://www.behardware.com/articles/626-1/monitor-calibration-for-0-to-100.html
... A good overview of calibration methods, more for reference than anything else

http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/monitor_calibration.htm
... follow the links to black point, sensitivity and gamma tests

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/
... you'll frequently see links to these pages around this forum

Have fun :)

Edit: Remember, for most normal people, ie those not involved in colour critical work, the only things you have to satisfy are your own eyes :nod:
 
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I seem to prefer the monitor preset for 9300k temperature the most out of the presets, as this seems to provide what seems like a whiter white than the 95 95 95 temps that it came with out of the box. Does this 9300k preset mean it is using 93 93 93? or is it something else? I cannot use 64 64 64, it is far too dull and dim
 
I've had a recalibrating session which lasted 2 hours whilst I found the most eye friendly default settings then calibrated using CEDP and got:



Best results yet and a keeper!

I also fond out that the Demo of CEDP runs forever. Ok it's a 10day 10 run demo but if you uninstall and reinstall those runs reset :D

Insanely accurate colours ***!

So by the sounds, pick up a cheap spyder 2 for 50 quids and use this coloreyes software and youre good to go :)

Hmm might just be getting one after all.
 
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I've had a recalibrating session which lasted 2 hours whilst I found the most eye friendly default settings then calibrated using CEDP and got:
...
Best results yet and a keeper!
...
Insanely accurate colours ***!


mrk, do you see any colour banding with the test images either before or after calibration...? (Are you using DVI or VGA?)

Jim
 
Yup seems like it! Just get a compatible probe and the install the CE demo :D

There are a few pre-calibration settings you need to do which I found out through trial and error on both ColorEyes and the monitor OSD to get a pleasing brightness but after that it’s pretty easy going. Can give more info if/when you get your probe so it makes more sense!

The end results are more pleasing than with the bundled Probe software that came with my Eye-One Display2 probe.

Jimbo, I noticed no banding before or after calibration, I would recommend downloading the Xrite Calibration LUT tester tool (Xrite website) it’s a zipped exe which displays the current gamma curve of your display card so if something has changed it from default the diagonal line will be slightly curved so all you got to do is hit “reset” to get back to Windows default. You can then adjust brightness/contrast and RGB values (which I recommend doing by dropping them from the high 90s to high 80s to get a more pleasing brightness).
 
Received the black HZ26Wi yesterday.

Design:
The Hazro HZ26Wi is a stunning piece of industrial design. The minimalist aluminium construction gives the product a high-quality feel reminiscent of the Apple Cinema Displays. The decision to keep the bezel free from buttons, LEDs etc. aside from the Hazro logo makes it easier to stay focused on the image on the screen.

OSD:
The touch-sensitive buttons are very sleek and add to the wow factor, though in practice they make it harder to operate the OSD menu as you need to keep looking down to make sure you're hitting the right one. The OSD menu itself could benefit from some differentiation between whether an option has been highlighted in the list (in which case up / down will navigate to the next option) or whether it's actually been selected (so that up / down will adjust that option's value).

Image Quality:
First impressions, image quality is great. Whether you prefer the matte 26" or the glossy as on the 24" model is really down to personal preference, but personally I find the reflections on a glossy screen very distracting. My monitor arrived with no dead pixels whatsoever, and in use the colours look natural and even across the screen.

Movies and large photographs look amazing. The HD trailers from Apple really show off the screen's prowess and photographs have a degree of immersion lacking on other monitors. Black level isn't the best, but that's the choice you make by going with IPS technology. The viewing angles and colour uniformity more than make up for it.

The vertical banding is the one issue concerning me right now. Not only do I get the banding described on this image http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greengradgf4.png but I can see visible flickering on it. (Is anyone else seeing the same thing?)

Responsiveness:
I haven't got the setup to run an input lag test, but purely subjectively I can't see any. I also hooked up a gamecube to the composite input and couldn't detect any lag on that either.


Overall, I'm very, very happy with mine and think I've made the right choice over all the other 24" and 26"-27" that I considered (and the list is long...). Would like to know whether others experience the visible flickering on that vertical banding test image though...
 
is anyone able to answer my queries about the colour temps?

I am using the OSD preset of 9300k at the moment. Whereas out of the box the monitor user custom temps were all set at 95 95 95.

Is there any danger to the monitor runing at the higher temperaturs like that?
 
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