Hazro - Any Update?

Sylver123 · 28 Aug 2008 at 01:43

Since ive already asked about this but didn`t get an answer, please, can someone that has the HZ26Wi tell me whether this screen is good for gaming and movie viewing, even though it has wide gammut? because people have said that games and movies look crap on this display down to the colors of wide gamut.

Thank You!

devilkazuya · 28 Aug 2008 at 01:52

I watched three different blu-ray movies on my 26Wi and they all looked fantastic with great colours. I played Crysis from start to finish and it was excellent. I would NEVER consider competitive gaming on an LCD though. Always stick to crt for that. If you are just asking about single-player gaming then yes it looks great for that provided you enable vsync.

Sylver123 · 28 Aug 2008 at 02:01

devilkazuya said:
I watched three different blu-ray movies on my 26Wi and they all looked fantastic with great colours. I played Crysis from start to finish and it was excellent. I would NEVER consider competitive gaming on an LCD though. Always stick to crt for that. If you are just asking about single-player gaming then yes it looks great for that provided you enable vsync.

so the wide gammut colors of this screen are not such a problem for gaming and movie, and doesn`t look as bad as people are saying?

jgreen726 · 28 Aug 2008 at 07:30

jgreen726 said:
Got mine today too!

Im finding this new one a little strange.

Very bright, banding on several horizontal and vertical grandients...including the pic above.

Build quality is superb.

Finger controllers are much better.

Cant get the picture quite right and cant rid of the banding....

OK i know very little about calibrating monitors as i am just surfing around reading. But when i run checkemon, in the colour spectrum test i had to lower my contrast to 7 to get rid of the horizontal banding with brightness on 35 and colour temp of 6500k.

I am using the native resolution and 32 bit colour, all windows/nvidia settings are at defaults.

What do you reckon?

So reading my post above, do you guys think this is purely because i dont know what im doing? I have no hardware calibration only software.

Whats your opinion.

edit: just been watching some HD video, get black 'sparks' appearing all over the screen (much like your green ones MRK) and also terrible gradients on shadows etc.

Just tried all the same things on my Viewsonic VP930 and LG L1953HR and no banding, sparks or otherwise.

magmax · 28 Aug 2008 at 11:50

Ahhh I see. I don't have a copy of BlueEye Pro software though this is where the issue lies! I contacted Lacie by email and they failed to respond after 2 weeks so gave up and their site has no demo version which is a shame as I
it's supposed to be the best software to calibrate with so I'd have been able to see if ColorEyes is just as good at the end result or not :/

mrk check your website email mate

Kyo Daikun · 28 Aug 2008 at 11:58

And so the 24inch monitor saga takes another turn...

mrk · 28 Aug 2008 at 12:01

magmax said:
mrk check your website email mate

Done and respond-didly done mate

now if only home time could come sooner!

Baddass:
I have a question about BlueEyePro, when you said you just select the target values and click next next next to begin profiling do you skip the steps to manually adjust the OSD controls or do you set a comfortable OSD setting first (brightness/contrast etc) or do you follow the manual steps then at the end when asked, proceed to calibration?

Cheers!

Jimbo7 · 28 Aug 2008 at 14:26

Baddass said:
colour depth has very little to do with banding. I'd imagine any banding you are seeing is more related to poorly set up gamma curves tbh. Calibration may help.

Meh?

(It's not the issue here though of course)

Jim

Jimbo7 · 28 Aug 2008 at 14:41

mrk said:
While I was looking at the results I noticed the green speckling/snow that I saw once before on the old DVI cable which I thought was fixed with a new cable but alas my worst fears have been realised!

Check that your DVI cable isn't running alongside something electrically noisy (eg. a nearby mains lead, or even a cable buried in the wall?).

Does the cable have a lump at each end? (Indicating the presence of ferrite noise reduction cores.)

Could you use a shorter (or better...) cable?

I get something similar with my old Dell 2001FP once in a blue moon. Power cycling it usually fixes it. Don't know if it's noise on the cable, or just the DVI signal transceiver getting its knickers in a twist...

Jim

mrk · 28 Aug 2008 at 14:47

Hard to say as I don't have any other high bandwidth cables near the DVI cable (noise reduction block on both ends) other than the usual phone charger cable, amplifier interconnects, speaker cables and so on - nothing as fat as the DVI cable!

It never happened on the non "i" model only the revised model so it's defo not a cabling or setup location issue.

jgreen726 · 28 Aug 2008 at 14:51

mrk said:
Hard to say as I don't have any other high bandwidth cables near the DVI cable (noise reduction block on both ends) other than the usual phone charger cable, amplifier interconnects, speaker cables and so on - nothing as fat as the DVI cable!

It never happened on the non "i" model only the revised model so it's defo not a cabling or setup location issue.

Hey,

Also just tried 2x DVI cables and even swopped them mid video onto the LG 1953 I have here at the mo. Only happens on the Hazro. Even moved all my power cables and speakers cables too.

Just this minute received an email from Hazro, don't want to paste it up here as i feel that is rude (dont know why). Needless to say they are aware of the banding/pixelisation and 'sparks'....will contact me within a few days according to the email.

nightrhyme · 28 Aug 2008 at 14:54

So based on mrk's extensive testing of the Hazro 24" I am very happy I waited and didn't order.

I don't dare touch the Hazro before a new revision emerges.

Thanx so much for all you testing, mrk. Greatly appreciated

Jimbo7 · 28 Aug 2008 at 14:55

mrk said:
Hard to say as I don't have any other high bandwidth cables near the DVI cable (noise reduction block on both ends) other than the usual phone charger cable, amplifier interconnects, speaker cables and so on - nothing as fat as the DVI cable!
It never happened on the non "i" model only the revised model so it's defo not a cabling or setup location issue.

By the sounds of it the new version is using a different driver device. It could be the new one is more susceptible to electrical noise on the dvi signals...?

Speaker cables could be fairly high-current, although probably not at a high enough frequency to trouble a dvi signal (unless they're connected to a class-T/digital amp?)

You might want to try moving the phone charger cable though - could be a duff/cheap switch mode power supply in there that's putting out a nice wodge of EMI...

Jim

devilkazuya · 28 Aug 2008 at 14:58

there are no snow particles on my 26Wi just to let you all know

I have a Linn Classik running on the same desk, a Logitech DiNovo Edge bluetooth keyboard. Nothing is causing any interference and I am using the stock DVI cable that came with the monitor. This must be a hit or miss scenario

builder22 · 28 Aug 2008 at 14:59

glad I sent mine back too, within an hour or so of use I had green lines across the screen, not good enough!
having said that there doesn't seem to be an alternative, EVERY monitor has it's problems it seems, so i am back to a 19inch CRT!

jgreen726 · 28 Aug 2008 at 15:07

devilkazuya said:
I have a Linn Classik running on the same desk,

Your just showing off now

nightrhyme · 28 Aug 2008 at 15:38

builder22 said:
glad I sent mine back too, within an hour or so of use I had green lines across the screen, not good enough!
having said that there doesn't seem to be an alternative, EVERY monitor has it's problems it seems, so i am back to a 19inch CRT!

Same here. Sitting with my old trusted Samsung 959NF 19" CRT

Damn the LCD's I have been through and always returned to my CRT.

My LCD history: Samsung 226bw, 3 x HP 2207(h), NEC 20GWX2, NEC 20GWX2pro, OcUk Value 24"..... :rolleyes:

Sold them all a lost a lot of money

mrk · 28 Aug 2008 at 16:05

I'm going to see how BlueEye Pro fares out, I an hoping it fixes the banding!

JAzz · 28 Aug 2008 at 16:12

Got my one yesterday, decent screen. Not sure about the glossy finish but it is ok. Need to calibrate it though, everything is so bright and I can't seem to change the brightness, contrast or sharpness for some strange reason :confused:

It is like the options are greyed out and it won't let me select it.

Have one dodgy pixel as well, Hazro have sent me an email saying they won't swap the monitor over unless it has a certain number of those pixels so I'll have to make do.

Baddass · 28 Aug 2008 at 16:14

Jimbo7 said:
Meh?

(It's not the issue here though of course)

Jim

that looks very much like an exagerated marketing image to try and (inaccurately) demnstrate why different colour depths are better than others. See here for more info as well about gradients, gamma curves etc: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/lcd-testmethods_3.html#sect0

note, you can get very good gradients even on 6-bit+FRC displays, and you can get very bad gradients even on 8-bit displays (note Dell 2007WFP for instance in it's original release form)....