Hazro - Any Update?
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site with terrible banding is here: http://flashden.net/files/43716/index.html
desktop background here: http://www.bartelme.at/journal/archive/flow_wallpaper
My old monitor is a 5 year old mid range 19inch lg tft
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they are screen grabs.
Sijo45 do you work for hazro? come on the banding is terrible. Its comments like yours which convinced me to buy as i thought the banding was very minor.. in reality i see it everywhere.
hazro have completely ignored me and are very hard to get hold of, its only because i randomly saw an old thread on this forum that i knew about the firmware.
desktop background here: http://www.bartelme.at/journal/archive/flow_wallpaper
My old monitor is a 5 year old mid range 19inch lg tft
32bit
they are screen grabs.
Sijo45 do you work for hazro? come on the banding is terrible. Its comments like yours which convinced me to buy as i thought the banding was very minor.. in reality i see it everywhere.
hazro have completely ignored me and are very hard to get hold of, its only because i randomly saw an old thread on this forum that i knew about the firmware.
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No I don't work for Hazro. Like you, I did a lot of research to decide which monitor to get. For a long time, I was waiting for the A01 version of the 2408WFP but when I found out the lag issues remained, and saw the new HZ24Wi, I went for it!
I honestly don't think the banding is that bad. Every monitor on the market has one issue or another. It's just a case of learning to live with it.
EDIT: Having looked at your links, I would agree, the banding on the first site is awful. The second didn't look too bad on my screen!
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The banding on that website is also there on my plasma, indicating that the backround picture used is of low colour depth. a lot of websites do this to cut the image size as to reduce bandwidth usage.
I also have this monitor and the banding problem does rear its ugly head now and again, But its far from terrible. Admittidly it shouldnt be present at all in a monitor of this quality
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I tried CEDP again with those suggested settings. Not very good to be honest, the banding which I trying to reduce in PS is present in the colour swatch.
You say you couldnt get it to work in Vista 64, this is what i`m using. It had a complain about the drivers not being signed, but I just told it to install anyway and everthing seemed fine. But maybe this is why i`m not getting too good results.
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Arhh come on mrk
I know it's H-IPSI am looking for the exact panel code
Like for the HP LP2475w it's LPL LM240WU4; a LG. Philips S-IPS
that website bands worse on my hazro than the 22" TN LG panel
depressing considering it cost 3 times as much
if you look closely at any dark gradients - its there, so sorry that`s a huge problem.
i have viewed that site on lots of monitors and all others had no banding. I love the monitor too which is why i am upset, this should have not made it into a rev 2 product and hazro should be answering all emails.
i have viewed that site on lots of monitors and all others had no banding. I love the monitor too which is why i am upset, this should have not made it into a rev 2 product and hazro should be answering all emails.
I fear you are right, Luckily for me there are no pixel issues and colour contrast is amazing for photography (which is why i got it in the first place)
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@g5604,
Many thanks for the extra info, very helpful
Looking at the actual web site banding is quite obvious though not quite as bad as it is in the image you posted.
The wallpaper is of high quality, flow_dual_left.jpg for example is 928kB for a 1920x1200 image. If I look hard I can see slight banding and some fairly typical compression artifacts.
Ok, that is what I can see and this is where we run into two problems:
Jpg files can be of high quality but in general when an image is saved as a jpg compression kicks in causing additional blocking and banding. I suspect this is the cause of some of the issues I can see in your post. Your images have been squashed down to about 18kB, 33Kb and 41kB, in comparison the images you linked to on HOCP are over 300kB. For the purpose of this thread is it possible for you to reduce the compression / increase the quality of any future images you post ? It may not be a problem if you can't, but it may help.
The second problem is more fundamental. 'screen grabs', so not photographs of the monitor as you see it ? Please ignore the following if I've misunderstood. The thing is, a screen grab captures the image from video memory, this is not the same as a photograph of how the monitor is displaying the image, the image you are actually seeing. To you the actual image and the screen grab may look identical, after all you are using the same monitor to view them both. To me, the screen grab is a perfect copy of what is in your video memory, plus any compression funnies, so when I view it I cannot see any funnies introduced by your monitor. I hope this makes sense
I'm not trying to deflect from the issue here, I have no connection with Hazro indeed I don't use any sort of LCD. You can see some major banding, the only way you can share what you see is via a couple of photographs, once posted I'm sure the Hazro experts here can advise you further.
Many thanks for the extra info, very helpful
Looking at the actual web site banding is quite obvious though not quite as bad as it is in the image you posted.
The wallpaper is of high quality, flow_dual_left.jpg for example is 928kB for a 1920x1200 image. If I look hard I can see slight banding and some fairly typical compression artifacts.
Ok, that is what I can see and this is where we run into two problems:
Jpg files can be of high quality but in general when an image is saved as a jpg compression kicks in causing additional blocking and banding. I suspect this is the cause of some of the issues I can see in your post. Your images have been squashed down to about 18kB, 33Kb and 41kB, in comparison the images you linked to on HOCP are over 300kB. For the purpose of this thread is it possible for you to reduce the compression / increase the quality of any future images you post ? It may not be a problem if you can't, but it may help.
The second problem is more fundamental. 'screen grabs', so not photographs of the monitor as you see it ? Please ignore the following if I've misunderstood. The thing is, a screen grab captures the image from video memory, this is not the same as a photograph of how the monitor is displaying the image, the image you are actually seeing. To you the actual image and the screen grab may look identical, after all you are using the same monitor to view them both. To me, the screen grab is a perfect copy of what is in your video memory, plus any compression funnies, so when I view it I cannot see any funnies introduced by your monitor. I hope this makes sense
I'm not trying to deflect from the issue here, I have no connection with Hazro indeed I don't use any sort of LCD. You can see some major banding, the only way you can share what you see is via a couple of photographs, once posted I'm sure the Hazro experts here can advise you further.
ecat, i take your point but tbh the images i posted and what i am seeing are pretty much the same. Also check the link to forum post for some actual photos. One thing i noticed was if you turn the brightness down to about 30 the banding is greatly reduced, but that is too dark.
I went to look at a few other monitors today and nothing comes close to the hazro, so i really hope the firmware does the job. I might also get some calibration software/hardware - can anyone recommend one?
I went to look at a few other monitors today and nothing comes close to the hazro, so i really hope the firmware does the job. I might also get some calibration software/hardware - can anyone recommend one?
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How often do you look 'closely' at a website? I agree with you that the banding's there, but under normal use, I haven't found it to be a problem
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I'm not sure you really understand, but the images you posted will look the same as what you are seeing, because you are viewing on your own monitor. The images you posted are screengrabs of what the video card produces, so they look different on every monitor. The images you posted do not have any kind of banding on the monitor I am using so I really cannot understand what issues you are having!
If you want us to see what kind of banding issue you have, you need to take some photos of your monitor when you can see this banding.
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No, I agree with what you've said to a certain extent, but from my perspective, you use your monitor to look at whatever your pc is displaying - how often do you pause a film to scrutinise the minute detail in the image? Not too often! The overall quality is fantastic, and yes, I spent the same on this screen as you. Not everyone is unhappy!
yep, expect this isn`t minor banding, it is VERY noticeable. Absolutely useless for the tasks i use my monitor for - web/graphic design. I am not one these people that cares about obscure test results or obsessives over lag times.. but when my crappy old monitor out performs on such a basic task, i am not happy.
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g5604 you sound like a child. You only have to wait a few days for a fix to be released and yet you keep complaining about the issue. If your "old crappy monitor" performs better im sure you can use that for a few days if it is that much of an issue...
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