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INTEL RAPTOR LAKE NOW AVAILABLE TO PRE-ORDER !

pete910 said:
....13900k should smash the 7950x in MT loads due to having 24 core vs 16 on the AMD chip. Plus the intel is cheaper too !
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It sounds like you've been taken in by Intel terminology as you are not comparing like with like. The 13900k has 8 Performance cores and 16 Efficiency cores.

So it is misguided to say that because 24 is bigger than 16 then the 13900k must be WAY better, when in reality due to the type of 'cores' I suspect those people doing fully multi-threaded workloads will be better served with the 7950x.
 
Probs pre-order a 13700KF next week, want to an ITX build and F all on AMD in that regard. Shame, but I do like the Z690I Unify and will await its restocking elsewhere.
 
Nickolp1974 said:
@Gibbo can i ask whats the crack with Z790 motherboards, some retailers showing 3-4 brands of limited boards, ocuk just Asus, is there a date when they will all be on site?? never known it like this, just seems all over the place.
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@ScottiB is probably still setting them up, it is mental busy at the moment but all boards will be live by 20th that he can get hold of. :)
 
Looking at the Z790 motherboard pricing and lack of additional features, I think most people will find better choice and value with Z690. Z790 doesn't really offer much beyond a slight tweak to PCIe and USB allocation.

For mATX the choice is really poor with manufacturers just sticking with the existing Z690 models.
 
IT Troll said:
Looking at the Z790 motherboard pricing and lack of additional features, I think most people will find better choice and value with Z690. Z790 doesn't really offer much beyond a slight tweak to PCIe and USB allocation.

For mATX the choice is really poor with manufacturers just sticking with the existing Z690 models.
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For the high end, Z790 boards will probably be the only ones with DDR5 7200Mhz kits added to their QVL lists.
 
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pete910 said:
It was Intel's design decision. If there 24 core design does not beat AMD's 16 core design, Intel has failed miserably!
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When you market something like Intel you'd never say it had 50% more cores for the same, or less performance though. They would only use the number of threads which is 32 vs 32, and they would use the term 'high core count processor' or similar to avoid saying 24 and 16 in both instances, this allows them to spin the wins/fails however they see fit. After all it is why they pay a marketing team lots, and lots of money to come up with ways to make bad things look good, and good thing look even better.

The pre-announcement of the 13900KS does say a great deal about the coemption at the moment, and the marketing using the 6GHz figure as bigger is better in numbers for marketing, it's like living though the P4 era again but this time the frequencies actually make a difference.

Exciting times ahead! Really looking forward to the reviews, can't wait to see what they have done! - Dave2150.©™
 
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Nickolp1974 said:
@Gibbo can i ask whats the crack with Z790 motherboards, some retailers showing 3-4 brands of limited boards, ocuk just Asus, is there a date when they will all be on site?? never known it like this, just seems all over the place.
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Sorry about that...
The Raptor lake "launch" was so rushed that we got info from Gigabyte just yesterday, for example, and Asrock still haven't sent anything....Intel genuinely gave us just 24 hours notice that they were pulling forward the pre-order by almost a month!!!! yes I'm angry :mad:

Asus were the only brand to get me all of the Z790 info that I needed before the launch, hence they were the only ones ready.
Dealing with three motherboard platform launches in two weeks, with systems & bundles to go with, upcoming GPUs & PSUs on top of the usual Q4 purchasing...the vendors dumped us with three months work to be done within three weeks. I have another platform launching Monday and again, I'm missing information and stock isn't likely to materialise for a few weeks. Both CPU brands are guilty of rushing to market and leaving the board vendors, to quote one "rushing around like blue-arsed flies"

It's fair to say that I'm a tad stressed :cry:

I'm nearly done with MSI and Gigabyte so they'll be online today.

IMO AMD and Intel have done really good jobs designing these platforms but a damn terrible job of planning the launches. In my honest opinion, whichever platform you choose, you'll be happy...as long as you can keep them cool :cry:
 
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out of interest I thought id do some reading and see if any bias :) just searched the price difference between them was $499 and other is $1k and it wins in cinebench thats all that matters right

just watched gaming difference over 12 games and hardly anything in it so yeah I know what I rather have

Ryzen 7 1800X delivers performance comparable to Intel's highest-end consumer chips at a price that makes Team Blue's $1,000-plus enthusiast offerings just seem silly
 
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ScottiB said:
12th gen ran hot so I dunno what miracles you were expecting if this comes as a surprise :cry:
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We're not seeing that in any configuration on ES and retails unit. At equal loads and voltages, the RPL chips are 10c+ cooler over ADL. That's with a 360 AIO. Gap is wider with loops.

How are you testing?
 
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