Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

Robert · 7 Oct 2017 at 11:30

Waiting for Z390 seems sensible!

davisdavid · 7 Oct 2017 at 11:56

One of the few cases where I think there is a genuine argument for delaying 'because there'll be something better in the future'

Journey · 7 Oct 2017 at 12:11

Robert said:
Waiting for Z390 seems sensible!

You should probably just wait until 2019 then, when PCI-E 4.0/5.0 and DDR5 will start to become part of the newer boards, and 6/8 core CPU's are then mainstream.

Robert · 7 Oct 2017 at 12:13

2 months vs 18 months is a tad different

DragonQ · 7 Oct 2017 at 12:15

AndreiD said:
And the reason they've made Z370 Coffee Lake only is because they're using more pins for VCC on Z370, 146 on Z370 vs 128 on Z270.
You can find the info in their 8th gen datasheet here: https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...cessor-family-s-platform-datasheet-vol-1.html

That wouldn't explain why they couldn't make it forwards-compatible with Icelake, if that indeed ends up being the case. We don't know yet.

AndreiD said:
@DarkHorizon472 10% is putting it mildly for 1080p, probably GPU limited tests because in the reviews with a 1080 Ti the difference is higher.

Yes. If you have the cash to splash for a 1080 Ti you probably have the cash to splash for an i7-8700K so who cares.

TJM · 7 Oct 2017 at 12:15

If you want/need the upgrade, I wouldn't wait for the Z390. The on-board features are a bit of a whatever and you could always use an expansion card if you're gagging for faster USB.

Journey · 7 Oct 2017 at 12:18

Robert said:
2 months vs 18 months is a tad different

I think the dates you have in mind are wrong, Z390 is not due until 2H '18, so that's more like 9 months.

AndreiD · 7 Oct 2017 at 12:25

@DragonQ They're down to 25 reserved pins for the entire socket with Coffee Lake, for 8 cores they'll most likely need a new socket.
There's not much point in possibly gimping Icelake to make it compatible with Z370 boards anyway, most people who will get that will probably be upgrading from older gen CPUs.

Perfect_Chaos · 7 Oct 2017 at 12:25

Journey said:
You should probably just wait until 2019 then, when PCI-E 4.0/5.0 and DDR5 will start to become part of the newer boards, and 6/8 core CPU's are then mainstream.

Not sure DDR5 will be around for us in 2019, isn't that the time servers get it first? Hard to say.

But since i game at 1440p high hz, I'm not even sure it's worth changing from my x99 5820k to anything less than DDR5 & PCIE4.

Journey · 7 Oct 2017 at 12:35

Perfect_Chaos said:
Not sure DDR5 will be around for us in 2019, isn't that the time servers get it first? Hard to say.

Very late 2019, early 2020 if it all stays on track. So two fulls years minimum, more like 2.5 years from now. Have to wait to see how GPU's progress in the next two years to see where the rest of the system needs to be.

Simon Belmont · 7 Oct 2017 at 12:35

Robert said:
Waiting for Z390 seems sensible!

Isn’t z390 8 core? The 6 core 8700k will hold me a couple years.

subbytna · 7 Oct 2017 at 12:38

This makes Kaby lake obsolete now. I'm sure the likes of MSI, Asus, etc are all loving the fact they have a huge inventory of Z270 motherboards that they are now going to struggle to sell.

AndreiD · 7 Oct 2017 at 12:44

All they need to do is lower pricing on Kaby Lake / 200 series mobos, they have a lot of leeway there too since the 4C Kabys are only 123 sq mm.

davisdavid · 7 Oct 2017 at 12:50

subbytna said:
This makes Kaby lake obsolete now. I'm sure the likes of MSI, Asus, etc are all loving the fact they have a huge inventory of Z270 motherboards that they are now going to struggle to sell.

Hopefully that'll eventually translate to a price drop once 8th Gen chips are widely available. One can hope anyway.

Journey · 7 Oct 2017 at 12:50

Simon Belmont said:
Isn’t z390 8 core? The 6 core 8700k will hold me a couple years.

At £500 I'd hope it'll last you until 2022.

Matt26LFC · 7 Oct 2017 at 13:17

Journey said:
At £500 I'd hope it'll last you until 2022.

You mean £350 right? Or did he buy one of the binned chips

RichardH754 · 7 Oct 2017 at 13:26

Its going to be a long few weeks, sat here with motherboard, ram and no 8700k!

Journey · 7 Oct 2017 at 13:28

Matt26LFC said:
You mean £350 right? Or did he buy one of the binned chips

Impatient, so bought binned.

Perfect_Chaos · 7 Oct 2017 at 13:33

Journey said:
Very late 2019, early 2020 if it all stays on track. So two fulls years minimum, more like 2.5 years from now. Have to wait to see how GPU's progress in the next two years to see where the rest of the system needs to be.

Yeah could be 2019 for us, just looked again and it's due for servers next year so.. possibly.

jigger · 7 Oct 2017 at 13:33

RichardH754 said:
Its going to be a long few weeks, sat here with motherboard, ram and no 8700k!

Could be a couple of months from the looks of it. Apparently CoffeeMaker was meant to arrive at CES.