*January Transfer Window 2014/15 Season Rumours/Signings*
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He certainly won't be going to Chelsea any time soon.
JM was just asked in his press conference about the links to Ronaldo and he just said "Pfft, forget it".
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Munir has been creating some buzz over in Spain.. could be one of the greatest signings for Wenger if they can get him.
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It will happen but not for a good few years. I think he will come back and retire at UTD. Ronaldo could still be a 20+ goals a season well into his mid 30's. He is that good. I really don't see Fifa UT giving him a 65 pace card once he hits 30.
He'll go to America to play, ala Beckham.
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I hope not but he would make more money over there as America know Ronaldo as being some sort of football god. I really want to see him back at old trafford.
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So Wenger said something along the lines of
"If I stayed at home Welbeck would not be here today"...... He then went on to say both that he'd have preferred a loan with option to buy but he still wouldn't have been here at all had he been in the country that day. But then went on to say that this is 2014 and they were in constant communication anyway?
So despite not being in the country not mattering because of constant contact... not being in the country changed the outcome entirely from not buy to buying...... okay!
I don't know, but I've also seen him say recently that he was thinking about Welbeck as a replacement for Podolski.. so sell Pod and play Welbeck wide. Then we get Wenger saying he has been misused out wide and will be better through the middle.
The entire thing makes absolutely no sense and frankly Wenger is an idiot for even talking about it, it only throws the entire deal into question when regardless of the truth he could have just pretended to be happy about it. It sounds to me like we signed another Chamakh, a ridiculously long term solution to a short term injury for an incredible cost that will take up a squad space and money for another 4 years.
So we have seemingly in Wenger's mind Giroud/Sanogo upfront, Welbeck there short term. Then Pod, Caz, Ozil, Walcott, Sanchez, Welbeck, Ox and Campbell for the wide positions, and if we call it two central attacking roles(one more attacking/further forward than the other), we have Caz, Ozil, Wilshere, Ox, Ramsey... and potentially more as a no.10 than AMC Sanchez, Campbell or Welbeck.
So we bought another not good enough attacker, that Wenger wrongly wants to play out wide as a replacement for a player we refused to allow to leave, while he starts Ozil or Caz out of position so far this season..... and he wouldn't have bought this player had he been in the country?
When so far we have already refused to give Pod or Campbell a real chance.. we bought another player Wenger seems to want to play wide.... while refusing to let two players(one quality one loads of potential who deserves a chance) to go out on loan at the very least.
I can't understand a single way in which this Welbeck transfer made the slightest bit of sense, nor why on earth Wenger would make such ridiculous statements about the deal now it's done.
"If I stayed at home Welbeck would not be here today"...... He then went on to say both that he'd have preferred a loan with option to buy but he still wouldn't have been here at all had he been in the country that day. But then went on to say that this is 2014 and they were in constant communication anyway?
So despite not being in the country not mattering because of constant contact... not being in the country changed the outcome entirely from not buy to buying...... okay!
I don't know, but I've also seen him say recently that he was thinking about Welbeck as a replacement for Podolski.. so sell Pod and play Welbeck wide. Then we get Wenger saying he has been misused out wide and will be better through the middle.
The entire thing makes absolutely no sense and frankly Wenger is an idiot for even talking about it, it only throws the entire deal into question when regardless of the truth he could have just pretended to be happy about it. It sounds to me like we signed another Chamakh, a ridiculously long term solution to a short term injury for an incredible cost that will take up a squad space and money for another 4 years.
So we have seemingly in Wenger's mind Giroud/Sanogo upfront, Welbeck there short term. Then Pod, Caz, Ozil, Walcott, Sanchez, Welbeck, Ox and Campbell for the wide positions, and if we call it two central attacking roles(one more attacking/further forward than the other), we have Caz, Ozil, Wilshere, Ox, Ramsey... and potentially more as a no.10 than AMC Sanchez, Campbell or Welbeck.
So we bought another not good enough attacker, that Wenger wrongly wants to play out wide as a replacement for a player we refused to allow to leave, while he starts Ozil or Caz out of position so far this season..... and he wouldn't have bought this player had he been in the country?
When so far we have already refused to give Pod or Campbell a real chance.. we bought another player Wenger seems to want to play wide.... while refusing to let two players(one quality one loads of potential who deserves a chance) to go out on loan at the very least.
I can't understand a single way in which this Welbeck transfer made the slightest bit of sense, nor why on earth Wenger would make such ridiculous statements about the deal now it's done.
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He takes up a space full stop, he's 100k less a week we can afford on other players. Ignoring under 21's like we won't have to register them in the future is a very silly way of looking at it and ignoring the financial limitations a player on a high wage places on the squad is just as naive.
Ox and Sanogo are already 21, but by the retardness of rules don't count as 21 this season. So we already have 25 for next season already. You have to be 21 by 1st Jan on the year the season starts to count as 21, rather than the much more sensible, if you are say 20 by August 1st, you don't count as 21..... because you actually wouldn't be 21.
Got a couple more in Chambers, Gnabry and Bellarin who only have a couple years to go.
Whatever way you cut it, having a player who costs 100k a week and isn't worth that money is taking up resources at a club, be it squad space, money. As for not losing value... sure, it's impossible for a player to lose value if they are young, sure. His value could increase, but if he fails at Utd, then fails at Arsenal... at Utd he had Rooney/RVP ahead of him as an excuse and some crap international goals against crap teams to fall back on though only being in the team because he played for Utd, not on merit. If he fails to shine at 23+ at Arsenal with no other decent striker ahead of him, his value will decrease, sharply. the 4-5mil we're paying him a year also won't be recouped.
More to the point, you focused on the smallest part of the post for some reason and ignored the main point of discussion. Wenger said on camera that had he been in the country we wouldn't have signed Welbeck...........
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Hold on, I think I can hear the London Fire Brigade attending a keyboard related fire.
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Wow, so your initial argument is that because Arsenal don't have a full 25 man squad he doesn't take up a place, but as of next year when you do the complicated maths and we have a 25 man squad.... he still won't be taking up a squad place according to you. Nice to see your own argument being ignored by you while ignoring the other facts like money, etc.
Apparently if we have a 25 man squad... and we want someone else, Welbeck wouldn't be taking up a valuable squad space, that is nice to know. As long as Moses says it's okay 26 man squad is fine.
I also didn't say his value would sharply decrease, I said it could, but you're also ignoring money.
Players on large wages well beyond what they deserve have almost no transfer value, players who are on very little tend to have higher relative transfer values. Long, borini, those guys are players clubs believe might do better with a better team around them and are on low wages so if it failed to work out would be pretty easy to move on as other clubs can afford to match those wages.
Chamakh was difficult to move on because he wasn't on 40k a week but 80k. Welbeck will be on 100k a week and will have had two chances to prove himself. Focus on this word when I say it.... IF he fails at Arsenal after failing at Utd, no one anywhere will think like Borini or Long "I wonder what would happen if he gets starts at a top team", that question would have been long since answered. Then when he's asking for 100k a week to leave Arsenal, no one will be interested in paying 10+mil and matching his wage demands.
If he fails he'll either leave on loan with us covering a huge portion of his wages, or he'll leave to a relatively high wage contract with a tiny transfer fee and potentially a pay off to leave.
Torres, Nani, Adebayor, etc, etc, etc. Overpaid players who have all questions answered who have failed... more often than not cost clubs to get rid of them than make a profit.
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Munir going to Arsenal.
Real Madrid trying to steal Strootman from us.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892...fident-of-strootman-deal?ICID=HP_HN_HP_RI_0_1
Real Madrid trying to steal Strootman from us.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892...fident-of-strootman-deal?ICID=HP_HN_HP_RI_0_1
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The Metro is now the be-all and end-all of all rumours huh - wow have these threads sunk to new levels lol (and goal.com is not much different either lol)
Strootman isnt even going to start playing until Oct at least so imo Jan is FAR too early to buy him, even june would be a risk (depending on how Roma use him in the mean time). Plus there was that quote from a Roma director something about him being about as valuable to them as Ronaldo is to Real, so I cant see how £25m is going to even be close to what will eventually be paid (unless he stays for a while longer)
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What would happen with the Falcao deal to buy him next year if Monaco got relegated? You would think a player like Falcao would have some relegation release clause, probably a hugely reduced price. Currently Monaco are ****, 4 points from 5 games, 4th from bottom with their best two players gone.
Monaco seem to be doing what Anzhi did, spend big, then suddenly sell as many stars as you can, bring in free players, they got relegated, could that happen to Monaco as well.
Is it possible that they get relegated and the Falcao deal goes from whatever it is, say 40mil to buy him outright, to say 10-20mil range somewhere?
Monaco seem to be doing what Anzhi did, spend big, then suddenly sell as many stars as you can, bring in free players, they got relegated, could that happen to Monaco as well.
Is it possible that they get relegated and the Falcao deal goes from whatever it is, say 40mil to buy him outright, to say 10-20mil range somewhere?
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Where precisely did I jump on the lads back? I was talking about Wenger, but don't let that derail your pointless post or anything.
I didn't once say anything bad about WElbeck, I didn't call him a lazy git, or a selfish idiot for signing. I was talking about Wenger and his statement that Welbeck wouldn't have been signed had he been in the country, a point everyone has ignored because they want to have a go at me for things I didn't even say like yourself.
Welbeck wasting a squad space is WENGER'S fault, not Welbeck. Wenger let the club sign a player who he has said he wouldn't have signed had he been in control(in the country). This is Wenger's fault, not Welbeck. Diaby is poop and has injury issues, I don't blame Diaby for being injury prone I blame Wenger for giving him new contracts when he offers nothing to the team.
All the posts were focused on Wenger's management of the team. In terms of judging a player. If Wenger spent 60million on...Cleverley, would saying Cleverley isn't good enough to justify it be either jumping on the lads back, or incorrect?
Welbeck is 23, not 18, he's had plenty of games. I've watched him play 50+ times, I know how good he is, I know what he's good at. He won't become a magically brilliant player over night, you don't suddenly become a great player by changing club. Welbeck isn't and won't be good enough, and he will get goals, scoring won't determine if he is good or not.
