#MeToo - is it just different for men and women?

FoxEye said:
I think part of the problem is that that can't be proven one way or another.

So if one of your friends fell out with you, they could subsequently claim that all of your kisses were of a sexual nature, and that you'd been harassing her all this time.

You'd have a hell of a time proving it wasn't (sexual).
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That is why the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.
 
VincentHanna said:
Specifically suicide, it dropped a lot from when records began in the early 80's to 2005 and has been fairly static since, other than during the pandemic

Your perception of suicide rates "rocketing" are likely not true, but people talk about it more now so it seems like it's higher.
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Know a bit off-topic, but yes you're right - or rather I was loosely referring to the West. UK certainly is as you describe, other parts of the West, eg US:
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UK is much more complicated as you need to split both by gender, time and age range to fully understand. Eg social care and medical care have improved hugely since the 1960s, so there are much fewer old age suicides, but then you also have to factor in the fact they're a larger cohort which therefore skews the average over time.

Looking across genders and younger cohorts, it's much less pleasant, hence my point:

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Now, if I was going to suggest a gender that needs the most support based on data, not media hysteria, we wouldn't be talking about the emotional damage of the sexual abuse suffered by female footballers receiving a quick kiss on lips in a moment of unbridled excitement and more about the millions of boys suffering in less exciting ways every day.... but that wouldn't be dramatic enough would it....?

So yes, it is different for women and men, and it's certainly not fair...
 
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Dis86 said:
So you're admitting that that contact wasn't sexual yet are determined that this contact is?
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He was using it like a kick in the nuts. Its also man on man where are this was man on women. They aren't remotely the same, I don't know why you think they are. If he's kissed her on the forehead or cheeks I'm sure she wouldn't have been so offended but he didn't kiss her there.

I'm really not sure why some of you are defending this guy. Clearly both the player and her team mates found this totally inappropriate. Plus there is a societal shift happening in Spain at the moment so its cultural as well. I would never dream of kissing a women on the lips like this, I've no idea why he thought it would be acceptable.
 
The Running Man said:
It's almost like a man and a woman were hugging in the euphoria of the situation in a close embrace and he gives her a quick kiss , not to punish her or her sexuality but to congratulate her on possibly the biggest sporting achievement for women's football in Spain ever.
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Does he do the same to men frequently?
 
Dialup said:
The reality is that the WOMAN INVOLVED has said it was non-consensual. To say anything else is to victim shame and to victim blame.
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But as the women player's union is heavily involved, she could have been pressured to say it. Apparently they were waging a war against the Spanish officials before the tournament even started.
 
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Actress Joan Collins' refreshing take on the Me Too nonsense:

Joan Collins: 'Young Men Are Suffering from Being Labelled Toxically Masculine' After #MeToo Movement​

"I believe that women are equal to men in every single way. Except physical strength," Joan Collins said


In an interview with The New York Times, Collins weighed in on the cultural shift following the 2017 movement, which has provided people with the opportunity to speak out and condemn gender-based violence and sexual misconduct.

"Sadly, I think that now young men are suffering from being labeled toxically masculine because of this rise of anti-maleness," the Dynasty actress, 88, said.

Collins, nonetheless, sees herself as a feminist seeking gender equality. "I believe that women are equal to men in every single way. Except physical strength," she said. "People say you didn't burn your bra, you wear lipstick. So what? I'm very proud of being a woman."

Addressing the shift toward gender-neutral terms, Collins stated her preference while asking: "What's wrong with actress?"


"What's wrong with mother? What's wrong with woman? Girl?" she continued. "I don't like having that word taken away."



In the past, Collins, who has spoken about her experience with sexual assault, has shared her mixed views on the rise of #MeToo.


"It seems to me actresses who are saying, you know, 'I went up to this producer and he took his d--- out and I froze,'" she told The Observer in 2018. "I mean, I'm sorry, you don't freeze you go, 'Stop that, I'm leaving.' I just gave them a knee in the groin."

Added Collins, "It's hardly suffering. You just didn't put up with it."
 
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Nadine Doris, now finally resigning (and the Liz truss debacle) just don't do anything to promote the equality of women in society, but maybe that's being sexist to hold them to higher standards,
but their sense of entitlement and lack of humility to acknowledge their competence - seem worse than those exhibited by males (Boris excepted),
and the male side of the govrnment perhaps hold back on their criticism of them for fear of being called sexist.
 
This thread never fails to amaze me at the dinosour men putting forward stories of women to show... What exactly?

Or those that say Vinnie Jone sexualy assaulted Gazza and no one said nothing so we should keep on assaulting women or intruding on their faces because it never harmed Gazza.
 
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