#MeToo - is it just different for men and women?

[Raz]

If you cant see the difference between what happened on the field between two players and what happened when the head of their FA planted a kiss on a female player after the match I cant help you.

I can, but what you're saying is that in a mixed game if a man did that to a female player on the field then you wouldn't consider it to be sexual assault (I'm not saying Gazza was sexually assaulted btw).

What if a female coach kissed a male player? Would there be the exact same response?

 

[Roar87]

Yet... it never happens, funny how it only happens outside of marriage...

I know this is nuanced which makes it really difficult for some people to understand, but the act of kissing someone is quite socially complex, *most* of the time we don't verbally ask for consent because that's actually incredibly weird. People losing their careers for perhaps misreading a situation and quickly kissing someone on the lips in a context where it *might* be appropriate is extremely over the top. Context is incredibly important which is why I used kissing your wife as an example, but also if you'd had a few drinks and were dancing with a girl in a club, you might kiss her on the lips, presumably you wouldn't expect to lose your job over it if you actually just read the signals wrong and she pushed you away?

People in this thread comparing him kissing her to walking up to a woman in the street are either completely stupid or are being willfully ignorant and/or intellectually dishonest.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

How do you know she's telling the truth and he isn't? Again you're making things up that aren't proven to suit your narrative.

Oh she is lying? What he more likely, he asked her can I kiss you on the lips or he just did it?

 

[Dis86]

Oh she is lying? What he more likely, he asked her can I kiss you on the lips or he just did it?

It's not a question of probability. Do you know for a fact she didn't consent?
Also I note you're moving the goal posts...it was sexual assault earlier.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

I can't imagine with how brief whatever the discourse was between them that consent could ever conceivably be considered to be discussed... not that it matters because only they know what was said assuming they can even remember it with all the commotion.

The moment she said it was inappropriate he should have acknowledged it and apologised, instead he's went off to dig a deeper hole as usual.

and is now using the organisation he runs to sue her.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

It's not a question of probability. Do you know for a fact she didn't consent?
Also I note you're moving the goal posts...it was sexual assault earlier.

I'm taking her word for it, he is the one who is acting like a idiot off the back of this, doubling down and now using the FA he runs to sue her. The guy is clearly a ****.

I've not moved anything. It is sexual assault in 2023. In many jurisdictions just putting your hands on someone can be assault, add kissing them on the lips and its sexual assault. You might not agree with that but the law doesn't care about your feelings.

 

[Dis86]

I'm taking her word for it, he is the one who is acting like a idiot off the back of this, doubling down and now using the FA he runs to sue her. The guy is clearly a ****.

I've not moved anything. It is sexual assault in 2023. In many jurisdictions just putting your hands on someone can be assault, add kissing them on the lips and its sexual assault. You might not agree with that but the law doesn't care about your feelings.

Ironic giving you're the one literally acting on feelings and not facts. Please cite the law that shows kissing someone on the lips is sexual assault.

 

[Roar87]

I'm taking her word for it, he is the one who is acting like a idiot off the back of this, doubling down and now using the FA he runs to sue her. The guy is clearly a ****.

I've not moved anything. It is sexual assault in 2023. In many jurisdictions just putting your hands on someone can be assault, add kissing them on the lips and its sexual assault. You might not agree with that but the law doesn't care about your feelings.

She's trying to ruin his whole career over a literal peck on the lips during the celebration of a world cup win, it's absolutely mental what she's doing. She could've simply accepted the apology, he learns from it, everyone moves on. Ruining a guys career over this is crazy, men like you are so ******* weird.

 

[ianh]

I'm taking her word for it, he is the one who is acting like a idiot off the back of this, doubling down and now using the FA he runs to sue her. The guy is clearly a ****.

Because people never lie do they.

Maybe the reason his response has been so extreme is because he isn't the one lying and thats why he's fighting back...............or maybe he really is lying and he really is "a ****".....................no-one actually knows because there's no evidence either way that consent was/wasn't given so, as no-one actually knows, doesn't it seem silly for people to to base an opinion on the event and the people involved on incomplete data, unless of course you've only decided to believe the lady involved due to her gender, rather than any evidence.

Irrespective, I think the guys position is absolutely untenable and he should quit, not based on whether he did/didn't have consent (if he's innocent or not), but that the female team (and maybe staff too) have had that seed of doubt placed now meaning he no longer has their respect in his position.

 

[StriderX]

She's trying to ruin his whole career over a literal peck on the lips during the celebration of a world cup win, it's absolutely mental what she's doing. She could've simply accepted the apology, he learns from it, everyone moves on. Ruining a guys career over this is crazy, men like you are so ******* weird.

A peck?

He's literally holding her head and pulling her in to it.

 

[Roar87]

A peck?

He's literally holding her head and pulling her in to it.

Count in seconds how long it lasts and get back to me, it is less than half a second, have you even watched the footage in it's entirety?

 

[Tony Edwards]

Count in seconds how long it lasts and get back to me, it is less than half a second, have you even watched the footage in it's entirety?

Christ man!

I hope you never have to use that excuse at a rape trail. I had premature ejaculationd so technicaly it wasnt rape.

 

[Roar87]

Christ man!

I hope you never have to use that excuse at a rape trail. I had premature ejaculationd so technicaly it wasnt rape.

He's comparing this to rape now

You are not a serious human being.

 

[Tony Edwards]

You are not a serious human being.

No you are not a serious human being. Seriously

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Ironic giving you're the one literally acting on feelings and not facts. Please cite the law that shows kissing someone on the lips is sexual assault.

You could have just googled it

What Is Sexual Assault? | Davie County, NC - Official Website

Learn the definition of sexual assault and sexual abuse.

www.daviecountync.gov

Acts such as people touching, fondling, or kissing you without your permission are sexual assaults.

What is sexual violence?

www.frasac.org.uk

Sexual assault is a broad term which applies to many forms of sexual violence from unwanted kissing, touching (whether or not clothing is worn) to being forced/coerced into sexual acts. Being forced or coerced to do something means that consent cannot be given.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Because people never lie do they.

Maybe the reason his response has been so extreme is because he isn't the one lying and thats why he's fighting back...............or maybe he really is lying and he really is "a ****".....................no-one actually knows because there's no evidence either way that consent was/wasn't given so, as no-one actually knows, doesn't it seem silly for people to to base an opinion on the event and the people involved on incomplete data, unless of course you've only decided to believe the lady involved due to her gender, rather than any evidence.

Irrespective, I think the guys position is absolutely untenable and he should quit, not based on whether he did/didn't have consent (if he's innocent or not), but that the female team (and maybe staff too) have had that seed of doubt placed now meaning he no longer has their respect in his position.

You think he asked her in that moment "can I kiss you on the lips"? That is what he is claiming.

I'm not saying the guy should be locked up, far from it. I think he shouldn't have done it and his response has been ridiculous. He's doubled down and gone on the attack and made his sacking/resignation inevitable.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

He's comparing this to rape now

You are not a serious human being.

Is that a man and a woman? I know its hard to tell at the moment.

 

[Roar87]

You think he asked her in that moment "can I kiss you on the lips"? That is what he is claiming.

I'm not saying the guy should be locked up, far from it. I think he shouldn't have done it and his response has been ridiculous. He's doubled down and gone on the attack and made his sacking/resignation inevitable.

He apologised and was told it wasn't good enough and that he should resign, is an apology not reasonable? Perhaps we should move to castration?

 

[Dis86]

You could have just googled it

What Is Sexual Assault? | Davie County, NC - Official Website

Learn the definition of sexual assault and sexual abuse.

www.daviecountync.gov

What is sexual violence?

www.frasac.org.uk

None of those are the definition of a law. Would you like me to show you where you're wrong? It's easy.

Sexual Offences Act 2003

An Act to make new provision about sexual offences, their prevention and the protection of children from harm from other sexual acts, and for connected purposes.

www.legislation.gov.uk

Legislation - Law.

Sexual assault​

(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a)he intentionally touches another person (B),

(b)the touching is sexual,

(c)B does not consent to the touching, and

(d)A does not reasonably believe that B consents.


As I've repeated to you multiple times, one of the requirements for sexual assault is that the touching is sexual. There is nothing in the legislation of sexual assault that states a kiss on the lips is automatically sexual.

Or we can go with the Spanish definition?

Sexual Offences in Spain - Piñera del Olmo Canals

Sexual Offences in Spain In recent years there has been an increased presence in the media of sexual abuse and rape cases in Spain. Our lawyers have made this article to provide you with some general information about the law in Spain on sexual offences. If you would like more information on...

www.pineradelolmo.com

Sexual Assault​

Under Article 178 of the Penal Code a person shall be guilty of a sexual assault when that person offends against the sexual freedom of another person, using violence or intimidation. When found guilty a person shall be punished for sexual assault with a sentence of imprisonment from one to five years.

Violence and intimidation correspond with each other as they both contain elements of coercion, injury and threats. It is clear that these elements are effective and sufficent to overcome the will of the victim. It is necessary that but for the violence and intimidation caused by the accused the victim´s will would not have been overcome. The victim´s actions must be involuntary. The intimidation does not necessarily have to be directed at the victim, it can be indirect. For example, the assaulter could threaten to hurt the victim´s family unless the victim complies.

Did he use violence or intimidation?

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

He apologised and was told it wasn't good enough and that he should resign, is an apology not reasonable? Perhaps we should move to castration?

He called her a liar, he said it was consensual when she said it wasn't and claimed he did nothing wrong. That doesn't sound reasonable to me, but then I don't go around kissing women on the lips unless I am damned sure it is something she wants to happen, that is just me though.