Judging by the past actions observed for footballers and their associated staff I would say the answer to that is a resounding "yes".
(I'm not endorsing the title for the video just using it as an example of the actions)
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Judging by the past actions observed for footballers and their associated staff I would say the answer to that is a resounding "yes".
(I'm not endorsing the title for the video just using it as an example of the actions)
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Literally a photo in this thread of two team-mates celebrating that way!
I do think this has been blown out of all proportion.
I mean, a simple apology by the guy would suffice.
To me it looked like a very spur of the moment "I'm so happy I could kiss you!" moment.
If he misread the situation and the player felt uncomfortable, then he should apologise and that's that.
I mean, a simple apology by the guy would suffice.
To me it looked like a very spur of the moment "I'm so happy I could kiss you!" moment.
If he misread the situation and the player felt uncomfortable, then he should apologise and that's that.
*cough*
www.theguardian.com
I doubt that everytime that the above has happened that explict consent was sought and obtained beforehand...
Why shouldn’t two opponents kiss each other after a game?
Anna Tamminen and Rosa Herreros received criticism after a Swedish top-flight game but their show of affection shows the women’s game’s inclusivity
www.theguardian.com
I doubt that everytime that the above has happened that explict consent was sought and obtained beforehand...
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Until fairly recently he'd have been locked up for doing it, even today in these "enlightened" times the difference between a man publicly kissing a woman, or publicly kissing another man is marked and in many quarters still in the UK utterly taboo. A ridiculous comparison, same sex kisses still make the news and garner comment.
Soldato
I know exactly what he was saying. I'm clearly referring to the fact in Dis eyes this isn't a big deal and she is making it a big deal because she is a woman. You guys are assuming the FA president is telling the truth when its laughable that he or anyone would ask if its ok to kiss someone on the lips in that situation. You've chosen your side and the FA president is the victim in your opinions. That is fine, its your opinion, I just don't agree with you. And no women aren't always the victim but nice try throwing that old trope out.
Soldato
No. If she was my mrs I wouldn't even want to say anything to him or smack him in the mouth. Its for her to deal with, she seems perfectly capable of dealing with him. The fact that the whole team have an issue with him says there is probably more to this and his interactions with them.
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Soldato
There is a small part of me thinks that the outrage, outwith Hermoso's unhappiness, is just people piling on and virtue signaling. For example - the coaching squad all quitting... Are they genuinely so upset about it that they need to resign or do they feel they will be tarnished as being the same as Rubiales and so are getting in front of it by quitting, just in case their reputations take a hit?
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Er indoors thinks its way over the top, she is pretty level headed though so Id expect it.
It seems just virtue signalling, some people have to be seen to be saying and doing the correct thing even if they don't wholly believe in it. Its all quite toxic tbh and makes a bit of a mockery of real abuse. Question it though and its like talking to angsty teens that completely ignore any context and whose argument seems to amount to 'its offensive because I say it is'.
The guy is possibly a bit of a ****, mainly for the crotch grab which I thought was worse but as someone else pointed out that might be hangover of the macho spanish act. If he has been inappropriate on other occasions then that should be looked at but all this furore on this video clip in isolation is bonkers.
The rhetoric from certain players talking about the patriarchy and how these men have so much power just seems insane to me for what looked like a non sexual celebratory moment. Yes he shouldn't have got so carried away but the apology should have been sufficient.
Just to clarify, the statement you refer to was released by the RFEF on Jenni's behalf, after the incident. By all accounts, it's not her words. Apart from her Instagram live video from the locker room, her first words were her statement released on her own Instagram page on Friday (After Rubiales made his speech)l. She even makes mention in that statement that all comments and statements made prior to Friday attributed to her, were not her (or heavily implied that).
Rubiales Mother has now locked herself in a church on an indefinite hunger strike! It sounded far fetched to me, but I checked the Spanish media and they are reporting the same thing:
Luis Rubiales: Spanish FA president's mother on hunger strike over kiss row
The mother of Spanish football federation president Luis Rubiales goes on a hunger strike because of the "inhuman hunt" against her son.
www.bbc.com
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Maybe that was translated from spanish to english then back to spanish and now back to english and thats where the confusion is?
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Just to clarify, the statement you refer to was released by the RFEF on Jenni's behalf, after the incident. By all accounts, it's not her words. Apart from her Instagram live video from the locker room, her first words were her statement released on her own Instagram page on Friday (After Rubiales made his speech)l. She even makes mention in that statement that all comments and statements made prior to Friday attributed to her, were not her (or heavily implied that).
Rubiales Mother has now locked herself in a church on an indefinite hunger strike! It sounded far fetched to me, but I checked the Spanish media and they are reporting the same thing:
Luis Rubiales: Spanish FA president's mother on hunger strike over kiss row
The mother of Spanish football federation president Luis Rubiales goes on a hunger strike because of the "inhuman hunt" against her son.www.bbc.com
rp2000
It is literally a modern day witch hunt.
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I dunno, these Mediterranean types, always a bit hot headed, add in a religious element to this fiasco and it just gets better and better.<SNIP>
Rubiales Mother has now locked herself in a church on an indefinite hunger strike! It sounded far fetched to me, but I checked the Spanish media and they are reporting the same thing:
Luis Rubiales: Spanish FA president's mother on hunger strike over kiss row
The mother of Spanish football federation president Luis Rubiales goes on a hunger strike because of the "inhuman hunt" against her son.www.bbc.com
rp2000
Bets on how long before she's stuffing herself with Paella again?
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Seriously what are you on about now?
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It is a verbatim translation from the Spanish newspaper who originally cited the quote from her in her native Spanish language.
You've even got to challenge what the woman originally said, as it doesn't suit the narrative of your piranha like feeding frenzy.
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Isn't the mob having their say exactly what you want though? Can't pick and choose.
I agree that this is often the case, but it's not always so. Peer pressure, or the threat of consequences from supporting someone who has been accused of sexual assault or something similar plays a big part too. Plenty of cases where people jump on the bandwagon and the accused isn't actually guilty.
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The woman pretty much immediately made it crystal clear she was neither offended, perturbed or surprised by what happened as she extolled the conduct of the man in general.
But then came the rabble to tell her she must be offended and must platform this as a sexual assault using all media outlets available to them, with no recourse or care about the so called victim's opinions. A perfect example of not cultural appropriation, but a blatant creation of offence and victimhood on the unwanted behalf of the unoffended party.
But then came the rabble to tell her she must be offended and must platform this as a sexual assault using all media outlets available to them, with no recourse or care about the so called victim's opinions. A perfect example of not cultural appropriation, but a blatant creation of offence and victimhood on the unwanted behalf of the unoffended party.
Soldato
Part of the issue is the whole "if you don't condemn it then you are part of the problem" argument which effectively compels people to publicly condemn it where they may not normally be that bothered by it. This then lends more disingenuous weight to the incident which it may otherwise not have thereby making it a more high-profile incident... This then compels others to condemn it for fear of being labelled as supporting him if they publicly dont.... lending more weight and publicity, forcing others to condemn it... and so on and so on.... You get the idea.
Soldato
From what I have read there were problems in the changing rooms between the coach and the players for while, some players having refused to play under him so maybe this was his way to get out??