#MeToo - is it just different for men and women?

It's just getting to stupid levels now, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he's offed himself in the next few weeks/months. His career is pretty much ruined over a really stupid error of judgement. Yes, actions have consequences and he's responsible for his behaviour, but the reaction to it has gone nuclear.
 
Ayahuasca said:
It's just getting to stupid levels now, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he's offed himself in the next few weeks/months. His career is pretty much ruined over a really stupid error of judgement. Yes, actions have consequences and he's responsible for his behaviour, but the reaction to it has gone nuclear.
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But that's people today.... no one is allowed to make mistakes and deal with the punishment (be that criminal i.e. completing a sentence/rehabilitation or non-criminal) without the public ensuring that they are made pariahs for the rest of their lives.... Hell, most of the people that do it it aren't ACTUALLY affected by the person's mistake but just insert themselves into it.


Edit - Christ, the post written above this very one while I was typing this response says it all.
 
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To the people saying he should be sacked/have his life ruined - IF he had apologised at the earliest opportunity, do we believe that this would have been settled and he would keep his job/life and everyone would move on or do we think that he would still lose his job and have his entire life destroyed?

Essentially, has this incident only now reached the stage where he must be vilified and have his entire life ruined forever because of his doubling down or should he have received the same life ruination had he apologised at the earliest opportunity?
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
I know exactly what he was saying. I'm clearly referring to the fact in Dis eyes this isn't a big deal and she is making it a big deal because she is a woman. You guys are assuming the FA president is telling the truth when its laughable that he or anyone would ask if its ok to kiss someone on the lips in that situation. You've chosen your side and the FA president is the victim in your opinions. That is fine, its your opinion, I just don't agree with you. And no women aren't always the victim but nice try throwing that old trope out.
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Seems for you it's all black and white. Perpetrator and victim. I've already said it was inappropriate, but unless there have been other incidents an apology should have been sufficient. Clearly one of them is lying - or even both could be lying.

And I didn't say they are always the victim, but there are plenty of people who take a women's word as absolute truth since they believe women are always victims.
 
Richie said:
Can you be specific in the punishment you would like to see handed down?
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I was playing devil's advocate but a public apology should have been sufficient.

This of course depends if this is the only incident, because for all we know he's a sexual pest and this is their (the players) opportunity to do something about it publicly.
 
Richie said:
But that's people today.... no one is allowed to make mistakes and deal with the punishment (be that criminal i.e. completing a sentence/rehabilitation or non-criminal) without the public ensuring that they are made pariahs for the rest of their lives.... Hell, most of the people that do it it aren't ACTUALLY affected by the person's mistake but just insert themselves into it.


Edit - Christ, the post written above this very one while I was typing this response says it all.
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I've been thinking this for a while to be honest. For many it doesn't seem to be enough that someone is punished by the justice system (or otherwise) for wrongdoing, rather people seem to want to utterly destroy a person such that they can never come back from whatever they did. I'm not really sure what people get out of it - maybe ******** on others for their transgressions makes them feel better about their lives? I just know it's one of the aspects of social media/instant news propagation that I really despise.
 
An old article and may have been linked here already but worth a read given the actual thread topic

www.forbes.com

The Dark Side Of #MeToo: What Happens When Men Are Falsely Accused

We must all remember that the harm that has been inflicted on those who have experienced harassment and assault will not diminish when people who have done nothing wrong suffer the consequences of false accusations.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com

And here's another interesting read on the current issue covering different views of the kiss and what should happen:

news.sky.com

We asked people in Madrid what they thought of World Cup kiss row - their response was 'eye-opening'

Many people we spoke to thought Spanish FA president Luis Rubiales does not deserve the backlash he's received.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
 
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Richie said:
Part of the issue is the whole "if you don't condemn it then you are part of the problem" argument which effectively compels people to publicly condemn it where they may not normally be that bothered by it. This then lends more disingenuous weight to the incident which it may otherwise not have thereby making it a more high-profile incident... This then compels others to condemn it for fear of being labelled as supporting him if they publicly dont.... lending more weight and publicity, forcing others to condemn it... and so on and so on.... You get the idea.
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So very true, people don't seem to have the nous or courage to speak their mind any more, they should just say it was an unfortunate lapse to not consider women footballers may well have a strong radical feminism bent and to keep clear of any contact with them. Not to blindly agree he's a sexual predator akin to Attiila the Hun in agreement with some loud mouthed radicals.

Now his mum is starving herself to death on the altar :)

The footballer woman will probably be getting yet another tattoo whilst the old dear lapses into delirium. What a carry on has been deliberately engineered.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
This is going too far.

www.bbc.co.uk

Luis Rubiales: Spanish Football Federation regional presidents call for resignation

Spanish Football Federation regional leaders call on president Luis Rubiales to immediately resign, while Spanish prosecutors open a preliminary investigation.
www.bbc.co.uk
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It's just really over the top now.

He was their president of football and she was their joint top scorer in the world cup competition that they just won. Of all the possible occasions that you may give a colleague an innocent, but possibly inappropriate or misjudged embrace, that would be one of them.

Yes, I can see how it could be seen as inappropriate, but comparing it to sexual abuse/assault is just undermining actual really bad behaviour.
 
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Mmm delicious content, it would be an exquisite climax if suddenly Spain just went full Franco over this. I ain't getting off this rage train, baby!
 
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Richie said:
Can you be specific in the punishment you would like to see handed down?
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First of all, he should lose his job.
Then he should be forced to pay something like £1,000,000 to the victim.
Then confiscate all his possessions. They should be sold and all proceeds given to women's charities.
Then he should be branded with the mark of the beast.
Castrated on live TV.
Dissolved in acid whilst his children watch.
All record of him erased from history.

Only then can we truly say we are a just and virtuous society, that treats men and women equally.
 
StriderX said:
Mmm delicious content, it would be an exquisite climax if suddenly Spain just went full Franco over this. I ain't getting off this rage train, baby!
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Ah General Franco, NOW you're talking :) A clone as head of the EU, or the UK, a salivating thought :)

One of my life's regrets is not visiting the Valley of the Fallen before the wets moved his remains to his wife's pretty nonedescript cemetery, in a typically cowardly act after his demise.

"Proper bloke", to coin a phrase.

We'll just have to make do with Rishi <lol>
 
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