#MeToo - is it just different for men and women?
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Soldato
I wish both men's and women's games would tell FIFA to do one and leave and setup a new organisation. Though that is a conversation for another thread.
Have Spain not has the title removed from them? Give it to England then because sexual assault in front of millions is unacceptable.
No smoke without fire - assume he got his old chap out in the changing rooms - shocking the women into silence, now they can speak without fear.
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No smoke without fire - assume he got his old chap out in the changing rooms - shocking the women into silence, now they can speak without fear.
#bandwagon
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Soldato
Whatever is wrong with him he lost control of himself. I'm not sure if people have seen the video of him when Spain scores he's grabbing his balls in full view of everyone, including the Spanish Queen, and her 16yo daughter sat near by him.
hadn't seen the full video sequence before, just stills, or, full transcript of his speech.
www.eldiario.es
protesting womens groups now seem to acknowledge he needs to pay for the sins of society, not sure witch hunt terminology is appropriate - this is full crucifixion ,
the other members of the rfef saw their positions maybe questioned too
Las imágenes que demuestran que Hermoso no levantó a Rubiales
Las imágenes tomadas desde la grada muestran una realidad distinta a la versión planteada por el presidente de la RFEF en la asamblea del organismo la pasada semana
www.eldiario.es
protesting womens groups now seem to acknowledge he needs to pay for the sins of society, not sure witch hunt terminology is appropriate - this is full crucifixion ,
the other members of the rfef saw their positions maybe questioned too
Soldato
This is him ball grabbing. The guy was clearly out of control before he even got to the pitch.
I do think that they have blown it out of proportion, but on the other hand Spain has a massive problem with sexist men, so I can understand their outrage.
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Honestly i dont think i am qualified to say one way or the other if he should be sacked...... only the person in question knows how it made her feel. was it inappropriate? yes. should he get bought up on it? yes
but should he lose his job? I dont know!.
does culture come into it as well? i know some people are more full on when it comes to things like kissing when it comes to greetings and what not?
As a northerner i often call people love when talking to them, and it is only at women so i guess it is sexist even tho i am not being sexual (i call blokes mate, i guess that is the opposite equivalent). now i try not to as down south it is considered more sexist and creepy apparently (i still do it sometimes, old habits die hard) - tho that said i know a few women who do it without worrying to men. I am NOT saying its exactly the same but just that.... sometimes culture can make a difference.
1 thing i will categorically say is.................. our womens England team did amazing......... even more so as did the Spanish team. It is a damn shame that rather than us celebrating getting to the final of the world cup, and the Spanish folk celebrate winning it, its instead people talking about some old fella kissing a player.
Regardless of whether he should be sacked or not it has without a doubt taken some of the shine off the win and that is the real loss for the players I think ... and i suspect in the future even the victim of the kiss may also think that way.
but should he lose his job? I dont know!.
does culture come into it as well? i know some people are more full on when it comes to things like kissing when it comes to greetings and what not?
As a northerner i often call people love when talking to them, and it is only at women so i guess it is sexist even tho i am not being sexual (i call blokes mate, i guess that is the opposite equivalent). now i try not to as down south it is considered more sexist and creepy apparently (i still do it sometimes, old habits die hard) - tho that said i know a few women who do it without worrying to men. I am NOT saying its exactly the same but just that.... sometimes culture can make a difference.
1 thing i will categorically say is.................. our womens England team did amazing......... even more so as did the Spanish team. It is a damn shame that rather than us celebrating getting to the final of the world cup, and the Spanish folk celebrate winning it, its instead people talking about some old fella kissing a player.
Regardless of whether he should be sacked or not it has without a doubt taken some of the shine off the win and that is the real loss for the players I think ... and i suspect in the future even the victim of the kiss may also think that way.
He shouldn't be fired/prosecuted, because we shouldn't keep reinforcing the idea that every mistake should get you fired, or worse. To me, this very much is a mistake and not such an outrageous one that harsh punishment would be inevitable. He didn't kill a bus load of children through cancelling safety inspections (etc).
Spain literally just won the World Cup. Yet he's losing his job for a kiss.
Why are we so intent on heading down this particular path?
Hug a woman.. get fired.
Smile at a woman too often.. get fired.
Tell her she's looking lovely today.. get fired.
Interpret her body language the wrong way.. get fired.
Answer a question wrong.. get fired.
Don't promote her.. get fired.
Do anything she doesn't like.. get fired.
We need to stop insisting that every single mistake leads to dismissal, prosecution, social outrage, etc. People make mistakes.
And people get offended. People get offended all the sodding time. Why should this automatically grant them the right to have the offending party fired?
Now, what are the consequences of his mistake? Does she wake up in a cold sweat every night reliving the moment? Is she now afraid to leave the house? Is she contemplating suicide? Will she be unable to form relationships? Is she traumatised?
What was the damage? Yes, he was stupid. Yes, it was a mistake. But seriously, that's all it was. The reaction is so far above and beyond proportionate it's comical.
ok it's a form of expression we are unfamiliar with in the UK - but is it sexist ? rather what ancient man did when he vanquished his enemies, like the braveheart gesture,
not sure what what boudica did, in her turn
hadn't seen the full video sequence before, just stills, or, full transcript of his speech.
Las imágenes que demuestran que Hermoso no levantó a Rubiales
Las imágenes tomadas desde la grada muestran una realidad distinta a la versión planteada por el presidente de la RFEF en la asamblea del organismo la pasada semana
That video helps add some useful context vs the shorter video, from the TV coverage, in wider circulation.
He's certainly the one displaying all of the exuberant behavior and the video confirms that he was then one who jumped up on the female player rather than being lifted.
I would agree therefore that an apology at least from him would have been in order but given the circumstances his resignation/ firing is almost inevitable now.
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Are you will to TESTIfy about that?
*the world probably doesn't share a common basis with male gonads but it's a common belief
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Originally I thought perhaps it was because they wanted him to take responsibility but you never know, perhaps there are more issues involving more people at the top and if they fire him he could name names etc. Or, as you say, could be a legal issue.
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The problem is he was called out on it, and instead of apologising he doubled-down and tried to justify his behaviour.
If he'd apologised at the beginning, he could have slinked away and probably just hidden from the spotlight for a while. He didn't do that, he actually did the opposite.
Either way, his behaviour is slimey. Spain as a whole still has a massive misogyny problem and the Spanish football league are now trying to distance themselves from him / it.
He did though?
Spanish FA president Luis Rubiales apologises for kissing Jennifer Hermoso on World Cup final trophy podium
Jennifer Hermoso started against England in the World Cup final on Sunday, but missed the chance to score when her second-half penalty was saved by Mary Earps; Rubiales said: I was completely wrong, I have to admit it. It was without bad intention at a time with a lot of excitement.
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Is his mum still locked in a church on food strike ?
Eventually.He did though?
Spanish FA president Luis Rubiales apologises for kissing Jennifer Hermoso on World Cup final trophy podium
Jennifer Hermoso started against England in the World Cup final on Sunday, but missed the chance to score when her second-half penalty was saved by Mary Earps; Rubiales said: I was completely wrong, I have to admit it. It was without bad intention at a time with a lot of excitement.www.skysports.com
This is what he said first though:
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