*** Nintendo Switch ***

Raymond Lin said:
AAA games won't go to the Switch for at least 3 years because

1 - AAA games costs a a ton to make and they can't afford to put it on a platform where it doesn't have the user base

2 - it takes 3 years + to make a AAA game, so unless the Switch hit that 10million mark by Christmas, I wouldn't expect to see a AAA game before 2020.

3 - AAA games tend to be graphically intensive, that's part of their trademark, as well as being massive, technical advancement in graphic is almost a given. The Switch is still a portable machine, the best they could hope for are if games like GTA5, Xbox 1 version appearing.

But then I don't mind, the "serious" gamers would have had their hands on a PS4 or XB1 already, they've been out long enough.
Click to expand...

I think because of point 1 in your post AAA games will end there for the switch. Its like the chicken n egg.

I don't mind because I have a pc and a PS4 pro (got a switch on pre-order). I just wish Nintendo would see sense, maybe just one more time in my lifetime but I fear its too late.
 
satchef1 said:
725 games were released for the Wii U over four years. 80 in development for the Switch is nothing to boast about.
Click to expand...

Wow, is that true? DM makes a good point as I think I did not even buy in total 10 for my Wii U when I had it. It just felt like there was a lack of AAA games to me. Felt like Zelda was dangled in front of me for ever. The games I had I really enjoyed a lot, but they were few and far between. I do recall being frustrated by Nintendo themselves not supporting the Wii U as well as they should have been. I enjoyed my time with my GameCube a lot more as I recall and purchased a lot more games, even the Wii which had two awesome Mario Galaxy games.
 
TNA said:
Wow, is that true? DM makes a good point as I think I did not even buy in total 10 for my Wii U when I had it. It just felt like there was a lack of AAA games to me. Felt like Zelda was dangled in front of me for ever. The games I had I really enjoyed a lot, but they were few and far between. I do recall being frustrated by Nintendo themselves not supporting the Wii U as well as they should have been. I enjoyed my time with my GameCube a lot more as I recall and purchased a lot more games, even the Wii which had two awesome Mario Galaxy games.
Click to expand...

Wikipedia lists 725 games for the Wii U. The Wii U also launched with 24 games. The Switch is launching with 6, rising to a total of 13 releases after two months on the market. If that image above is an exhaustive list, then the Switch will hit 24 games in September, six months after launch. By that point, the Wii U had almost three times as many titles available.

Skyrim and FIFA supposedly demonstrate that the Switch is getting big third party releases, and yet within six months of launch the Wii U had:

Assassin's Creed III
Batman: Arkham City
Mass Effect 3
Black Ops II
Darksiders II
Ninja Gaiden 3
Tekken Tag Tournament
Injustice: Gods Among Us
Resident Evil: Revelations
Sniper Elite V2
FIFA 13
Madden NFL 13
NBA 2k13

My point being that numbers mean sod all, and that the ones for the Switch are nothing to boast about. It's often bandied about that the Wii U had "no games", yet when you strip back the spin, the Switch has even less.
 
Last edited:
drunkenmaster said:
It's getting kinda irksome that so many people either misunderstand or are being pedantic.

Wii U is widely thought to have failed because of lack of third party support. Lack of third party support is shorthand for lack of AAA titles from third party developers on the current highest gen consoles... but that is a bit wordy.

A lot of the technically accurate third party titles coming to Switch, are more like what you'd expect indie games on Steam to be like. Top down RPG's with old school graphics. A LOT of the games are ports of older games in a similar style, older, graphically weak.

AAA games means, not just the biggest releases on any given console, but actually the ones with a huge budget where you expect, in general, current gen graphics, good voice acting, a real story, etc, the exciting games that both really sell consoles (like Zelda) that cost a shedload to make from the companies attempting to be at the bleeding edge of the industry.


To me the majority of the games being talked about for Switch are the filler games you buy between the latest AAA titles like Mass Effect, the latest GTA or the latest Uncharted. Those at the AAA games and you buy a console that will have the most of the ones you want(ie you pick the exclusives you want) but then get all the cross platform AAA then you pick up whatever filler games for cheaper you want.

Switch has the filler games and the AAA titles are very few and far between.

Anyway, when people say it lacks third party titles/support, it means the third parties aren't planning to bring any of their latest/greatest games to the platform. EA will bring their 360 version of Fifa with updated names, but not the latest Mass Effect, the latest whatever other big IPs they might be releasing this year. That is what people actually mean when they say lacking third party support.
Click to expand...

I was about to post something similar to this.

TNA said:
Foxconn FTW! :p


This one was funny, the prospect of Titanfall 2 running on the Switch according to a developer who worked on it:



Skip to around 2:05 for the interesting part, or even better go straight to 4:25 :p:D
Click to expand...

lol, but to be fair who is bothered about playing Titanfall 2 :p
 
Last edited:
drunkenmaster said:
A lot of the technically accurate third party titles coming to Switch, are more like what you'd expect indie games on Steam to be like. Top down RPG's with old school graphics. A LOT of the games are ports of older games in a similar style, older, graphically weak.
Click to expand...

Agreed. A bunch of them I bought in Steam sales 4 years ago for a few pounds. And don't get me wrong, I'm all about the indie games. Hyper Light Drifter was my fave game of 2016. But they don't sell consoles and, for the most part, are fillers between big releases. Seriously, look at that list. It has Metal Slug 3, King of Fighters 98 (best one btw, but almost 20 years old!) and Shovel Knight! This is not 3rd party support. This is proof of the lack of it.

It's the same old problem. The only company putting serious money into Switch games will be Nintendo. Even Zelda is a updated port so they have something at launch worth showing/playing - without it there would have been nothing.

Apart from that the lineup looks all good :p
 
satchef1 said:
Wikipedia lists 725 games for the Wii U. The Wii U also launched with 24 games. The Switch is launching with 6, rising to a total of 13 releases after two months on the market. If that image above is an exhaustive list, then the Switch will hit 24 games in September, six months after launch. By that point, the Wii U had almost three times as many titles available.

Skyrim and FIFA supposedly demonstrate that the Switch is getting big third party releases, and yet within six months of launch the Wii U had:

Assassin's Creed III
Batman: Arkham City
Mass Effect 3
Black Ops II
Darksiders II
Ninja Gaiden 3
Tekken Tag Tournament
Injustice: Gods Among Us
Resident Evil: Revelations
Sniper Elite V2
FIFA 13
Madden NFL 13
NBA 2k13

My point being that numbers mean sod all, and that the ones for the Switch are nothing to boast about. It's often bandied about that the Wii U had "no games", yet when you strip back the spin, the Switch has even less.
Click to expand...

Iirc, didn't the 3DS launch with a lack of titles as well?

I am hoping that the Switch is more of a successful handheld console, rather than home. It will be way to difficult for Ninty to compete with the likes of Sony and Microsoft on the home console market.

I might pick one of these up later on in the year, I bought a Wii U at launch and still own the console, if I want to scratch that Zelda itch I still have a chance to play the new one.
 
drunkenmaster said:
snip
Click to expand...

I was under the impression that the Wii-U flopped due to lack of marketing AND lack of third party, which the latter wasn't helped by the former.

I think what the Switch needs is well developed games (AAA if that's what you want to call it) but are exclusive to the Switch. Like Zelda. I do NOT think it needs Mass Effect and GTA etc because people who want to play those kind of games will already own a PS4 or XB1. I don't think this will help sales enough to decide whether or not the Switch flops or otherwise. It will have a small effect, but enough to decide the fate of the console? I doubt it.

The Wii-U had some killer games...but by then it was too late. Which I think was down to its poor marketing on release. Hell I HAD a Wii at the time and I barely knew what it was. I believed it was an add-on to the Wii.

What I do wish is people would stop saying that third parties are not on board because they are. Whether they're small indie ones, or steam ports, or otherwise. They're still third parties. They're still releasing games on the Switch which gives a reason to buy the thing. Also with regards to the 80+ game infographic...well about a week or 2 ago there were what...30-40 games confirmed to be in development? Whether that number is irrelevant to everyone or not because so and so console had X amount of games, well 80 is better than 8!

I'm not saying it's going to double every 2 weeks of course. But I do think there is still a lot more to be announced and found out between now and launch which will be 5 weeks on Friday. I know lots in this thread really want it to succeed. But saying it won't because it isn't another PS4 or XB1 I think is the wrong way to look at it. If that's all you're looking for, then of course the Switch will disappoint them.

The Switch does only have a few big IPs right now. But then again so do many consoles at launch, which then steadily grow as the consoles market grows. I think a lot of people (both devs and the public) need to see where this console fits best into peoples lives...and we'll only know that once it's launched.

Give it time. Just give it some time! :p
 
Phate said:
What I do wish is people would stop saying that third parties are not on board because they are. Whether they're small indie ones, or steam ports, or otherwise. They're still third parties. They're still releasing games on the Switch which gives a reason to buy the thing.
Click to expand...

What you said about big AAA titles applies even more to indie. Most gamers will have purchased these years ago for considerably cheaper than they'll be on the Switch. I completely disagree re. big IPs like GTA btw. They shift consoles more than anything and are exactly what the Switch needs.
 
Phate said:
What I do wish is people would stop saying that third parties are not on board because they are. Whether they're small indie ones, or steam ports, or otherwise. They're still third parties. They're still releasing games on the Switch which gives a reason to buy the thing. Also with regards to the 80+ game infographic...well about a week or 2 ago there were what...30-40 games confirmed to be in development? Whether that number is irrelevant to everyone or not because so and so console had X amount of games, well 80 is better than 8!
Click to expand...

There's being on board, then there's being on board.

EA for example, releasing a crappy version of Fifa isn't exactly what I would call being on board. Sure, they're releasing something but it's very much a case of being at arms length, let's not forget they released Fifa on the Wii U, then promptly dropped it when it bombed.

Games being released doesn't make it worth buying, having games worth playing makes it worth buying. Hence why my pre order has been cancelled, I look at the line up and the only two games i'm interested in are Zelda and Mario.
 
McBain said:
There's being on board, then there's being on board.

EA for example, releasing a crappy version of Fifa isn't exactly what I would call being on board. Sure, they're releasing something but it's very much a case of being at arms length, let's not forget they released Fifa on the Wii U, then promptly dropped it when it bombed.

Games being released doesn't make it worth buying, having games worth playing makes it worth buying. Hence why my pre order has been cancelled, I look at the line up and the only two games i'm interested in are Zelda and Mario.
Click to expand...

You don't even know what Fifa is going to be like quality wise on the Switch - you're merely going on speculation.
 
satchef1 said:
Wikipedia lists 725 games for the Wii U. The Wii U also launched with 24 games. The Switch is launching with 6, rising to a total of 13 releases after two months on the market. If that image above is an exhaustive list, then the Switch will hit 24 games in September, six months after launch. By that point, the Wii U had almost three times as many titles available.

Skyrim and FIFA supposedly demonstrate that the Switch is getting big third party releases, and yet within six months of launch the Wii U had:

Assassin's Creed III
Batman: Arkham City
Mass Effect 3
Black Ops II
Darksiders II
Ninja Gaiden 3
Tekken Tag Tournament
Injustice: Gods Among Us
Resident Evil: Revelations
Sniper Elite V2
FIFA 13
Madden NFL 13
NBA 2k13

My point being that numbers mean sod all, and that the ones for the Switch are nothing to boast about. It's often bandied about that the Wii U had "no games", yet when you strip back the spin, the Switch has even less.
Click to expand...


Thing is, most of those games came out after they had already been on other consoles or PC and they were gimped in some way or the other. At least that is my recollection, I could be wrong.

The Wii U could have had 2000 games, but unless they came out same time at launch and were not gimped, it would not have been much different. Maybe slightly less graphics but made up for that with actually making use of the game pad which hardly any bloody game did.

What I wanted from the Wii U was more AAA Nintendo games!

I could not give a toss about 3rd party games myself, but I still want the Switch to have them to help with it's sales, as I buy those on PC for cheaper and much better graphics anyway. That said, there is the odd occasion where I may buy a 3rd party game on the Switch instead, like if it is not available on the PC or the Nintendo version offers unique gameplay due to the HD Rumble or something.


McBain said:
lol, but to be fair who is bothered about playing Titanfall 2 :p
Click to expand...

Haha, no me mate. If I was interested, I would have got it on PC anyway. But the point of it was some developers seem to already not be a fond of the Switch which is not good :(


Sugnid said:
I'd say there were a lot more who want it to fail.
Click to expand...

Does seem that way with some. I want to succeed, but I am sceptical. I do hope they release a faster dock for 4K at some point, but even more importantly they release a lot more AAA games for the Switch then they did for the Wii U.


Sugnid said:
You don't even know what Fifa is going to be like quality wise on the Switch - you're merely going on speculation.
Click to expand...

True as that maybe, one can see where he is coming from. I would be pleasantly surprised if it uses the latest engine with not gimping.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom