*** Nintendo Switch ***

FTR I'm not specifically hunting prices. Just mentioning stuff posted about prices I see announced on Twitter etc :)
 
TNA said:
Let me know when it is £40. But given the choice for £40, I would potentially opt for another pair of Joy-Cons as it means 4 controllers, or two for games like Arms :)
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Considering the tech that's inside the Pro Con, you'll be hard pushed to ever see it at £40.
 
Phate said:

Get interesting about 7 minutes in.
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Stopped listening when he said 1million units on launch would eclipse PS4 and Xbox One launch day sales.

His figures for the first month are off as well, PS4 and Xbox One sold more than 2 million in the first month.
 
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I was more interested in the figures from gamestop being mentioned and his reasons for thinking that Nintendo are not short stocking the Switch.
 
McBain said:
Stopped listening when he said 1million units on launch would eclipse PS4 and Xbox One launch day sales.

His figures for the first month are off as well, PS4 and Xbox One sold more than 2 million in the first month.
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PS4 sold 1 million in the US on the first day. First day or even first month sales mean very little though. The Switch will certainly sell out at launch, almost all new tech does. The Wii U sold extremely well at launch, then Nintendo couldn't release enough games and well we know what happened.

The only Nintendo first party games of note in the first 6 months are Zelda, Mario Kart and Splatoon and 2 of those are ports.

None of the 3rd party games are big enough to sell systems and most are available elsewhere.
 
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Phate said:
FYI Pro controller is £65 on amazon.
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That's better than the previous price but I'm not sure about the pro controller. In some ways I'd rather just have a joy con with a digital Dpad in place of the analogue stick. I'm not sure I want or need a complete extra controller. Depends on how I feel about gaming on the joy cons though I guess. Can't really make a call on they until I get my hands on it.
 
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It'll be interesting to see how Nintendo price world of goo given its a £5 mobile game. Hopefully they don't go over the top trying to mark it up on the switch.
 
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I think it'll be up to the developer of the game to set World of Goo's price, not Nintendo. I've not played it but heard it's great.

It's cool to see strong indie support on Switch. Wii U was fairly indie friendly too and it ended up getting a few exclusive gems as a result.
 
McBain said:
Stopped listening when he said 1million units on launch would eclipse PS4 and Xbox One launch day sales.

His figures for the first month are off as well, PS4 and Xbox One sold more than 2 million in the first month.
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More than that, Switch is launching world wide, Xbox didn't, I can't actually recall on the PS4, but probably didn't.

But the real thing is, the chip size. A PS4/Xbox chip was what 350-370mm^2 and also had a lot of gddr5 in particular at a time that supposedly Sony were having trouble getting enough of it.

The Switch is effectively a bunch of mobile parts that have hit commodity status. At pretty much any point you can place an order for 10mil 720p screens and they can be shipped out within weeks because hundreds of millions sell a year now. Batteries, same deal, these have all become essentially commodity level parts. They sell in monumental numbers, are massively produced and easy to get a hold of.

Then the chip, it's a mobile level part that is presumably somewhere between 90-120mm^2, meaning they can make those massively faster than you can the Xbox/PS4 chips. There is less memory, so it's easier to supply that, tiny storage, less chips to source, etc, etc, etc.

Switch in terms of actual production of parts that could be out of stock or hard to find, has absolutely no reason to be hitting Xbox or PS4 sales numbers, hitting PS4 sales numbers is a failure for something that is easier to produce and costs $100 less on launch, $200 less than the Xbox.
 
drunkenmaster said:
More than that, Switch is launching world wide, Xbox didn't, I can't actually recall on the PS4, but probably didn't.

But the real thing is, the chip size. A PS4/Xbox chip was what 350-370mm^2 and also had a lot of gddr5 in particular at a time that supposedly Sony were having trouble getting enough of it.

The Switch is effectively a bunch of mobile parts that have hit commodity status. At pretty much any point you can place an order for 10mil 720p screens and they can be shipped out within weeks because hundreds of millions sell a year now. Batteries, same deal, these have all become essentially commodity level parts. They sell in monumental numbers, are massively produced and easy to get a hold of.

Then the chip, it's a mobile level part that is presumably somewhere between 90-120mm^2, meaning they can make those massively faster than you can the Xbox/PS4 chips. There is less memory, so it's easier to supply that, tiny storage, less chips to source, etc, etc, etc.

Switch in terms of actual production of parts that could be out of stock or hard to find, has absolutely no reason to be hitting Xbox or PS4 sales numbers, hitting PS4 sales numbers is a failure for something that is easier to produce and costs $100 less on launch, $200 less than the Xbox.
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Thanks for the alternative facts DM :D
 
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Phate said:
and we'll only know that once it's launched.

Give it time. Just give it some time! :p
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I agree. Which is why I'm not buying the Switch anytime soon. Patience is the best way to go, let the stock levels and prices of the thing settle, let the games release and the niche be fully-formed and then I'll buy the Switch. Rushing in headfirst without knowing the landscape is taking a risk and not all of us are willing take such risk.

Broken Hope said:
If Nintendo kill off the 3DS after a year or so and we get their full output both handheld and console. Then the system will do what I need it to do.
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I reckon it needs to be quicker than that, the faster the better the start the Switch gets. The circle pad's plastic on my 3DS has split in such a way that it's now unusable for certain games. I'd like Switch to replace 3DS ASAP.

TNA said:
What I wanted from the Wii U was more AAA Nintendo games!

Does seem that way with some. I want to succeed, but I am sceptical. I do hope they release a faster dock for 4K at some point, but even more importantly they release a lot more AAA games for the Switch then they did for the Wii U.
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And that what we want from Switch too. A ton of great Nintendo titles... though not the likes of Mario Tennis/Star Fox Zero though. With the wanting Switch to fail, it's essentially the launch of the XB1 all over again.

People wanted that to fail originally, since despite being a decent console, the decisons behind it were very anti-consumer. It's the same thing here, we like the Switch, but we don't like what Nintendo is doing with it and we want that to change. Best case scenario is that Nintendo change their mind about a few things ala XB1 and the console skyrockets in popularity as a result.

I want the Switch to succeed, but I don't want bad business decisions to proliferate and continue. If something like that succeeds, then it just gets worse and they do more jerk moves. Just look at micro-transactions. A few publishers initially tried it on in regular AAA games, it had little negative effect on sales and now they've taken off and are found in every other game. We want Nintendo Switch to be successful for good things, not the bad things.

Sugnid said:
Another three for launch. Not that anyone on here will be impressed mind you.
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At least 2 of those came out on Wii/WiiU. So of course it's not impressive, heck it would be disappointing if Switch didn't get these types of games when it's predecessors did. World of Goo was amazing though. Not sure how much they could charge for it and right off the bat it reminds me that they've not got any plans for account bound purchases (aka buy the same game over again).

drunkenmaster said:
Switch in terms of actual production of parts that could be out of stock or hard to find, has absolutely no reason to be hitting Xbox or PS4 sales numbers, hitting PS4 sales numbers is a failure for something that is easier to produce and costs $100 less on launch, $200 less than the Xbox.
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AKA no excuses for Switch running out of stock and charging what it does then...
 
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