**Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Thread**

[eddyr]

Any less cores than the Titan and the card won't be much better than a 1080.

Then the argument about saving money by getting a 1070 instead of the 1080 will come into play with people buying the 1080 instead of the very overpriced 1080ti.

I know people really want to see the 1080 Ti launch but it has to be a viable card. A cut down Pascal Titan does not leave enough to make the 1080ti viable.

The TitanXP has 28/30 SMs and a low stock clockpseed compared to GP104/1080 and compared to what the GP102/TitanXP can hit through overclock.

If the 1080ti ships with 25/26 SMs and +10-15% clockspeed at stock, it will pretty much perform at TitanXP levels, well above a 1080.

 

[RanxZy]

So if you werent willing to pay £600 for a 20% gain or £1100 for a 44% gain, why all of a sudden are you willing to pay £800 to £850 for a 30% gain in performance?

Logic is hardly the main deciding factor when people just want that new shiny card, if everyone broke their decision down in to performance per £ and made logical buys, no Titan X would be bought at £1100. It's certainly not logical to get two for 1440p, but there's always someone that'll buy it. You should be quite aware of this as you frequent the Titan X Pascal threads.

 

[Kaapstad]

The TitanXP has 28/30 SMs and a low stock clockpseed compared to GP104/1080 and compared to what the GP102/TitanXP can hit through overclock.

If the 1080ti ships with 25/26 SMs and +10-15% clockspeed at stock, it will pretty much perform at TitanXP levels, well above a 1080.

With Pascal cards the stock clocks don't really mean much.

I have the

1060
1070
1080
Pascal Titan

The one thing they have all got in common is they hit near enough the same core speed when overclocked.

With Pascal SMs are king and clockspeeds are the same for all.

 

[Greebo]

With Pascal cards the stock clocks don't really mean much.

I have the

1060
1070
1080
Pascal Titan

The one thing they have all got in common is they hit near enough the same core speed when overclocked.

With Pascal SMs are king and clockspeeds are the same for all.

Correct. If you are going to base how fast a card is on its stock speeds then you have it wrong.

Clealry a 1080ti would be release with higher base clocks than the Titan and less than the 1080 but as Kaap says, they all boost to the same clock (variations in silicon lottery excluded)

 

[Gregster]

It really is sounding like 1080Ti release to me because the Titan X Pascal is only sold by Nvidia and they don't want to upset the retailers and aftermarket card makers so releasing the 1080Ti to them, while Nvidia sell the TXP.

Also JayzTwoCents just said on the live stream he was invited to the London event 3 months ago. So sounds like a planned release. Also he mentioned $899 price ....for the 1080Ti. Who knows.

So looking at a £830 inc VAT+ price.. If that is the case they can keep them.. and will wait for Volta and by then they will realise no one will buy their top tier cards at these silly prices and same goes for the 1080's... I don't believe the sales figures of the 1080's... They are deliberately making it look like a 1080 GPU shortage and reality is this is all part of the hype to raise prices.

That is a bloody good shout bud. You could well be onto something with that train of thought. I hope you are right, as whilst I really like my 1080, I wouldn't mind a dabble with something that is slightly faster.

 

[eddyr]

With Pascal cards the stock clocks don't really mean much.

I have the

1060
1070
1080
Pascal Titan

The one thing they have all got in common is they hit near enough the same core speed when overclocked.

With Pascal SMs are king and clockspeeds are the same for all.

That is my point. At stock, the TitanXP only boosts to ~1550MHz. Nvidia can eek out an extra 150Mhz to offset a 2-3 loss of SMs (for the reviewer results).

For Nvidia the main objective would be to bring TitanXP performance into the vacant price point between the 1080 and TitanXP and tap that segment of the market.

 

[KillBoY_UK]

Businesses only care is about money and profit. They will launch a product regardless of what other company does if it will make money.

Fixed it for you

 

[NirK]

Not sure though because every titan has been the same (reference card only)

Another thing would be that they could just knock some MSRP off the TXP, this would not affect the 1080 MSRP and they would not release a 1080ti.TXP is already cut down from 3840 and no competition, there is not even any competition for the 1070 or 1080.

Really though this is my question : Would THAT many people really be interested in a Ti at 850 or 900+? Surely these people would just get the TXP anyway? I don't know. Much less than that and they would be looking at 1080 reduction.

When AMD release something (if this is even faster than 1080) they have a full line up ready of 1070, 1080, 1080Ti and TXP at whatever MSRP they want. Not sure why they release a 1080ti now to be honest.

 

[Greebo]

That is my point. At stock, the TitanXP only boosts to ~1550MHz. Nvidia can eek out an extra 150Mhz to offset a 2-3 loss of SMs (for the reviewer results).

For Nvidia the main objective would be to bring TitanXP performance into the vacant price point between the 1080 and TitanXP and tap that segment of the market.

Yes they can for marketing/selling. The point is users by just moving a slider can then have both cards running at the same speed.

 

[Panos]

Not sure though because every titan has been the same (reference card only)

OR another thing would be that they could just knock some MSRP off the TXP, this would not affect the 1080 MSRP and they would not release a 1080ti.TXP is already cut down from 3840 and no competition, there is not even any competition for the 1070 or 1080.

Really though this is my question : Would THAT many people really be interested in a Ti at 850 or 900+? Surely these people would just get the TXP anyway? I don't know. Much less than that and they would be looking at 1080 reduction which is pointless for Nvidia unless they have competition.

GTX1080 has waiting list of 45-90 days on certain models (eg EVGA), while others are in short supply flying from the selves.

Ain't going to see GTX1080 price drop. On the contrary, NV going to put a nice 800-850 price tag to the 1080Ti. But they have no chip to cut....

The Titan X is a failed Quadro, cutting further might drop it to GTX1080 level not something faster (~10-15%) than the GTX1080 and again, depends how the "cut" can be done.
As I wouldn't be surprised if the 1080Ti is a double cut version of the Quadro, I wouldn't be surprised if it went to a 1070Ti. Because we do not chop bread here but electronics.......

Or else we might see another GTX970 on the market.

 

[jjgreenwood]

I'm not sure there is a huge market for a 1080ti at £900. That's a massive increase from the £550 for 980ti. This makes me think that it won't arrive till 1080 is in good supply and a £50- £100 price cut can be justified. Presumably March sort of time like when they normally launch.

 

[NirK]

The TitanXP has 28/30 SMs and a low stock clockpseed compared to GP104/1080 and compared to what the GP102/TitanXP can hit through overclock.

If the 1080ti ships with 25/26 SMs and +10-15% clockspeed at stock, it will pretty much perform at TitanXP levels, well above a 1080.

If they cut off 10% or more then it will be barely worth it.

 

[NirK]

I'm not sure there is a huge market for a 1080ti at £900. That's a massive increase from the £550 for 980ti. This makes me think that it won't arrive till 1080 is in good supply and a £50- £100 price cut can be justified. Presumably March sort of time like when they normally launch.

But I read that they might be releasing 11xx series mid 2017, so if the 1080ti did not come out til jan-mar, it seems pointless to get the 1080ti for 850-900 then.

 

[NirK]

GTX1080 has waiting list of 45-90 days on certain models (eg EVGA), while others are in short supply flying from the selves.

Ain't going to see GTX1080 price drop. On the contrary, NV going to put a nice 800-850 price tag to the 1080Ti. But they have no chip to cut....

The Titan X is a failed Quadro, cutting further might drop it to GTX1080 level not something faster (~10-15%) than the GTX1080 and again, depends how the "cut" can be done.
As I wouldn't be surprised if the 1080Ti is a double cut version of the Quadro, I wouldn't be surprised if it went to a 1070Ti. Because we do not chop bread here but electronics.......

Or else we might see another GTX970 on the market.

If the 1080TI is only 5% slower than TXP then that is ok, but if they knock 10% or more performance off, then it really is barely worth it, if you compare the stock TX to a 1080 at 2Ghz, which a lot of them come at already (out of box a lot of the run at ~2Ghz), the difference is not a lot already.

 

[eddyr]

Yes they can for marketing/selling. The point is users by just moving a slider can then have both cards running at the same speed.

Indeed which is not an issue for Nvidia. However there are no users buying GP102 between the 1080 $599 and $1199 TitanXP which is what NV will want to address. The actual performance of the card is secondary so long as it sits well above the 1080 and around the TitanXP.

If they cut off 10% or more then it will be barely worth it.

A 10% reduction in SM's would be easily offset by the greater sustained boost speeds that GP102 can support.

 

[X-Mikuru_Beam-X]

Someone needs to rename this thread to "The wishful thinking thread"

 

[NirK]

Indeed which is not an issue for Nvidia. However there are no users buying GP102 between the 1080 $599 and $1199 TitanXP which is what NV will want to address. The actual performance of the card is secondary so long as it sits well above the 1080 and around the TitanXP.



A 10% reduction in SM's would be easily offset by the greater sustained boost speeds that GP102 can support.

For example if a 1080ti is 10% slower per MHZ compared to a TXP, that would make the 1080ti less than 20% faster than 1080.

Also if they release a 1080ti very close to now, which is within 5% of the TXP and 300 MSRP less... then they just cannibalised the TXP. They did this with the 980ti, but the difference was that AMD had fury X etc, now AMD do not have anything.

 

[Gregster]

I do hope it is coming and soon and might well be or the secret London thing might well be a Shield thingy or something completely different but a custom cooled 1080Ti that is ~20% faster than my 1080 would have me very tempted.

 

[Greebo]

I do hope it is coming and soon and might well be or the secret London thing might well be a Shield thingy or something completely different but a custom cooled 1080Ti that is ~20% faster than my 1080 would have me very tempted.

20% faster fro 30% more money though................

 

[eddyr]

For example if a 1080ti is 10% slower per MHZ compared to a TXP, that would make the 1080ti less than 20% faster than 1080.

Also if they release a 1080ti very close to now, which is within 5% of the TXP and 300 MSRP less... then they just cannibalised the TXP. They did this with the 980ti, but the difference was that AMD had fury X etc, now AMD do not have anything.

Oh right, I see what you mean. No I don't think they will target it to be 10% slower than the TitanXP in its stock operating configuration as they will compensate with stock operating clocks. Although of course in the scenario where they disable a 1/2/3 more SM's, on average max OC a performance deficit would appear.

On the cannibalisation side, a 28/30 SM product will still appeal to those who are willing to pay over a 26/30 SM product. There is currently a pretty decent gap between the 1080 and TXP price that they can fill at some stage and take pull in those who wont pay $1199. Greg has voiced that he might be prepeared to buy such a card.

I agree I am not particularly convinced they are releasing it now, but for Xmas seems a decent bet. The later any other GP102 product released, say after Xmas, the more likely it is to be the full die.