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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080Ti to be "available" on June 3rd, RTX 3070Ti on June 10th

On competition website you could access 3080ti listings but without prices. Except I would assume one of employees made mistake and left numbers in titles of two AIB cards:
ZOTAC NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Trinity 12GB GDDR6X Ray-Tracing Graphics Card, 10240 Core, 1665MHz Boost - £1049 inc
ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti TUF GAMING 12GB GDDR6X Ray-Tracing Graphics Card, 10240 Core - £1049 inc
but knowing them that's definitely not a launch price for us.
 
I've signed up for the notify. Looking forward to getting my notification tomorrow and at my leisure logging in and buying one.
 
ScottiB said:
Oh, their margins are even higher on professional products but, don't forget, when they report 60-70% profits that's after costs such as R&D and marketing.

I'm certain that they're no longer making 60%+ on 3080FE but that's because thry are also the only entity in the he chain who make enough to hide the increased costs.
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Idle speculation- I wonder if they redistribute some of the income between divisions by "selling" chips from the division that makes them to the one that makes the finished cards.
 
ScottiB said:
it varies by a few percent month on month slightly but as an average over the last couple of years it's 50:50.

It's funny that you should use that as an example. I was a really pessimistic when Nvidia first came to us with G-Sync. I did a LOT of tests at one point on various G-Sync/Freesync monitors and found G-sync to be the much better technology, working from as low as 15FPS reliably. When the premium for the G-Sync module was $150 it was a real no brainer then Nvidia realised what they had on their hands and the pricing started to increase.

Consoles are loss leaders with 95% of profits generated after sale. Don't even TRY to make that argument because it demonstrates a massive lack of understanding.
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Even with Gsync enabled, 15 FPS is horrible. It's best at smoothing the occasional drop below 60fps, to 50fps etc IMO.

That said, I was an early adopter of Freesync. That technology belongs in the bin, at least the first generation monitors (I used the BenQ xl2730z). Gsync first gen monitors, such as the Asus Swift 27", were leagues ahead in contrast, so I agree Gsync is worth the premium.

ScottiB said:
I feared somewhere around a grand but I thought about £800.
The biggest issue though wasn't the price, it's the unrealistic MSRP for the FE which, based upon NVs GPU cost, didn't give their partners a cat in hell's chance of getting close to it.
The result of this tactic is two-fold...better review results and a bigger direct market share.

It's no secret that, in a usual (not right now admittedly) Nvidia GPU sale, Nvidia make 65% margin and expect their AIB partner, distributor and reseller to make less than 10% each. That's untenable when costs are so high and supply is so limited.

Considering how little they usually allow their partners to make, tipping the balance so far in their favour as to cut their "partners" out of the majority of sales altogether shows questionable morals IMO.
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I think the future is obvious - Nvidia will at some point only sell their cards themselves. Why allow partners to make a profit with your product? It's just a question of manufacturing capacity as I see it, and with Nvidia getting more powerful each decade, I'm sure they'll flip a switch at some point.

Nvidia can beat AMD in overall performance, even when being a whole node behind. AMD aren't a serious competitor in the GPU landscape, I doubt they will be going forward tbh.
 
Dave2150 said:
Even with Gsync enabled, 15 FPS is horrible. Heck, drops to 4


I think the future is obvious - Nvidia will at some point only sell their cards themselves. Why allow partners to make a profit with your product? It's just a question of manufacturing capacity as I see it, and with Nvidia getting more powerful each decade, I'm sure they'll flip a switch at some point.
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They probably already have thresholds set at which that would trigger, though it also depends what contracts they have with the AIB's
 
Is anyone surprised this card is such a dud?

I saw it coming a mile off. I reckon most of us did. The 3090 is now irrelevant because of the Ti, and the Ti is irrelevant because of the ridiculous price to performance gain over the 3080.

Nvidia’s top 2 cards are just irrelevant lol!
 
Scougar said:
Just watched some reviews of the 3080Ti.

All I can say is. "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHHHAAAHHAHAHA Ah ahHah hah HAHAHHhahh H a hhah ha .. ha... haaaaa.. ha. ha."
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But they will still sell out unless the mining gimp is real and the high prices were actually being paid by miners rather than gamers.
I certainly wouldn't pay £1k+ for any gpu but there are many with money to burn.
 
Andythe Random said:
Idle speculation- I wonder if they redistribute some of the income between divisions by "selling" chips from the division that makes them to the one that makes the finished cards.
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Hardly, not even an industry "secret". Nvidia have investors so finances are public. Doesn't take much effort to prove exactly what I say is the truth. Besides, Nvidia don't manufacturer anything themselves. GPUs are made in fabs, memory is bought from Samsung/Hynix etc (model depending) and the cards are made by their partners.
 
DarkBahamut said:
I would agree with him. I would say that I think £600-650 is probably the right price range for XX80 class cards, but Nvidia (likely due to the fear of competition) gave away more core than they usually would.

Since the 900 series and the 980, the XX80 cards have always been the 2nd best gaming core. So GM204, GP104, TU104. Now with the 3080 it got an upgrade for the 'big' core in the GA102. That's all well and good, but it rather compromises the highend product stack. There's far less wriggle room than usual to fit a 3080Ti in.

It's also no suprise, we knew the core configs back in September last year so it was already known where a 3080Ti would fit. The only thing we didn't know was the price and VRAM config, and now we do. As a 3090 owner even I think $1199 is a very steep ask for the 3080Ti, but this generations flagships products were always going to be a mess from how they were configured. The mining and stock issues have just made a mockery of what would otherwise have still been a weird and relatively 'poor' 3080 Ti (judged from previous generations).
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I 100% agree that Nvidia did not want to use the GA102 die in the 3080 and is probably their second biggest regret after the 1080ti.

However that is the beauty of competition.

When Nvidia launched the 3080 and 3090 they knew they didn't have the wiggle room for a 3080ti. They could have launched the 3090 as the 3080ti and called it done (they would have been rightly lambasted for it) but they wanted the maximum profit at minimum cost.

Let Nvidia keep burning that good will, Nvidia will smile just like Intel was when they were making hay. But if you spit on people enough times they will happily jump as soon as the opportunity presents itself. Nvidia are arrogant to be burning good will while the enemy is right at their heels and more ferocious than ever. Let's see if it pays off in the long run.
 
ScottiB said:
Hardly, not even an industry "secret". Nvidia have investors so finances are public. Doesn't take much effort to prove exactly what I say is the truth. Besides, Nvidia don't manufacturer anything themselves. GPUs are made in fabs, memory is bought from Samsung/Hynix etc (model depending) and the cards are made by their partners.
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Is it known who puts the FE cards together?
 
robfosters said:
Is anyone surprised this card is such a dud?

I saw it coming a mile off. I reckon most of us did. The 3090 is now irrelevant because of the Ti, and the Ti is irrelevant because of the ridiculous price to performance gain over the 3080.

Nvidia’s top 2 cards are just irrelevant lol!
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Sadly, the 3080ti launch is DOA.
 
Andythe Random said:
Idle speculation- I wonder if they redistribute some of the income between divisions by "selling" chips from the division that makes them to the one that makes the finished cards.
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It's called transfer pricing, and all large vertically integrated manufacturers do it in all industries.
In theory it helps understand the underlying performance of different business units when otherwise it would be hidden. In practice, it also helps manage tax liabilities etc.

Take for example a global consumer goods company I used to work with. Their business unit that sources raw materials 'sells' them to the other business units that use them to manufacture the goods. The 'transfer price' is charged between the units, with the sourcing unit making a profit on the sale. That sourcing unit is based in a low tax country, so moving some of the profit from the manufacturing arm in a high tax country to a low one. All perfectly normal and legal.
 
ahar said:
It's called transfer pricing, and all large vertically integrated manufacturers do it in all industries.
In theory it helps understand the underlying performance of different business units when otherwise it would be hidden. In practice, it also helps manage tax liabilities etc.

Take for example a global consumer goods company I used to work with. Their business unit that sources raw materials 'sells' them to the other business units that use them to manufacture the goods. The 'transfer price' is charged between the units, with the sourcing unit making a profit on the sale. That sourcing unit is based in a low tax country, so moving some of the profit from the manufacturing arm in a high tax country to a low one. All perfectly normal and legal.
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Ah, yes, this, I couldn't remember the name for it, thanks.
 
fs123 said:
But they will still sell out unless the mining gimp is real and the high prices were actually being paid by miners rather than gamers.
I certainly wouldn't pay £1k+ for any gpu but there are many with money to burn.
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The 3080ti only pulls around 55mh and the founders even have the limiter.

Andythe Random said:
I will too, but for me, unless there is an unprecedented leap forward, I think I will be skipping the 4000 series.
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40% more perfomance for 50% more cash is the way nvidia likes to roll so while you think you're getting more you're actually getting less performance per $ every generation.
 
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Even my 2800 super does everything at 4k for me, just chuck dlss on and alls good, would have loved a 3080ti thou if the asus strix versions were like a £1000.
 
ScottiB said:
Consoles are loss leaders with 95% of profits generated after sale. Don't even TRY to make that argument because it demonstrates a massive lack of understanding.
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What on earth has the amount of profit made on hardware got to do with value to the end consumer? If the consoles are cheap, people will buy them instead of upgrading their PC with a new GPU. It really is that simple. I know several people who've pretty much sacked PC gaming in the bin because of the new consoles compared with the price of the new GPUs.
 
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