NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080Ti to be "available" on June 3rd, RTX 3070Ti on June 10th

[ceeK]

The FE cards are about the ONLY ones that would fit surely? Except the 3090, all the FE cards tend to be the smallest in there class.
I mean even the 3080Ti is strictly 2-slot.

Not sure any of the 30-sieres AIB cards are 2-slotters? (All tend to be at least 2ish right? or 2.5... so cant actually fit a card directly below)

And yea.... if nVidia DID go the route of FEs only.... people would just need to lump it. They could fit an aftermarket cooler maybe to fit a really specific case?

The size is fine, but the fan design just doesn't work in many small form factor cases. For example in my case one of the fans of the FE would be directly exhausting onto a metal plate with about 5mm distance between them. Very quickly becomes a hotbox. The FE design for the 20 series would be fine, though.

 

[xPETEZx]

yes but since 10% is a big jump in graphics card terms and my point was about FE performance vs AIB performance, the point still stands firm. It's just a shame about the relative pricing atm. On a purely price performance basis the FE stands up very well but I'd be really tempted to buy a waterblock and push the 2000Mhz mark.

Nvidia's obsession with sleek cooler designs, arguably style over function, is limiting the performance of their GPUs. At least they didn't make the mistake of cheaping out on the memory this gen.

I thought this round of cards showed very little performance uplift for the AIBs over the FE?
Anywhere from 3-4% ?

And even giving the card all the thermal room to run 2000Mhz+ doesnt really seem to do much outside of benchmarks. A couple of FPS here or there.

And thats before you take into account the often insane markup over the FE card.

Take a look at Hardware unboxed look at the various 3080Ti's last week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4_4SKtq_Gs

 

[xPETEZx]

The size is fine, but the fan design just doesn't work in many small form factor cases. For example in my case one of the fans of the FE would be directly exhausting onto a metal plate with about 5mm distance between them. Very quickly becomes a hotbox. The FE design for the 20 series would be fine, though.

Think about it though, even a 20 series card is going to vent all that heat somewhere. And as those cards dont went out the back like the new FEs do, its all ending up in your case too. Just not with a direct fan at the back. But the heat is still gotta go somewhere.

The current FE's are at least "half-blower" in that sense...so some of the heat goes straight out the back.

 

[ScottiB]

I thought this round of cards showed very little performance uplift for the AIBs over the FE?
Anywhere from 3-4% ?

Unfortunately, since I don't have access to FE I can't test for myself, but I don't really believe this simply because I've seen differences like that between different AIB cards which all run faster than FE. 100MHz on the core seems to produce this sort of FPS difference, so a few hundred MHz have to produce more, right?

 

[robfosters]

Another steaming turd

 

[Aegis]

I thought this round of cards showed very little performance uplift for the AIBs over the FE?
Anywhere from 3-4% ?

It largely depends on how power-limited the AIBs are I think - can't comment on the 3080/90 but my 70 gets a hefty boost from its stock OC (1905 ->2040) which itself is a big jump from the FE's stock boost of 1725. I'm pretty sure it could go higher too as power is the limiting factor on my OC (for some stupid reason the Suprim X tops out at 107%).

 

[ceeK]

Think about it though, even a 20 series card is going to vent all that heat somewhere. And as those cards dont went out the back like the new FEs do, its all ending up in your case too. Just not with a direct fan at the back. But the heat is still gotta go somewhere.

The current FE's are at least "half-blower" in that sense...so some of the heat goes straight out the back.

It does but if you have a fan blowing directly onto a metal plate it won't be able to move as much air over the radiators to keep the chip cool due to the pressure build up. With a 20 series FE most of the heat will expel either straight out of the case (as with the ncase M1 for example as it sucks air in from the button and expels straight out the sides), or expel cleanly into the case for other fans to exhaust it out.

 

[Stu]

right now we've got twenty cards and the landed price is...how can I say this politely?...B******T
Nvidia say they are "working on it" but it's fair to say that this launch is going to be difficult.
Nobody seems to be entirely prepared for it.

LOL yes we did sell a few £10K card sales when we were doing the voucher code deals.

WHAT?!?!? Someone actually paid £10k for a gfx card and did not use the voucher code?

 

[Stu]

I reckon we should have a Street Fighter 2 Turbo knockout tournament to decide who shall buy a card

Best solution so far!!!

 

[xPETEZx]

Unfortunately, since I don't have access to FE I can't test for myself, but I don't really believe this simply because I've seen differences like that between different AIB cards which all run faster than FE. 100MHz on the core seems to produce this sort of FPS difference, so a few hundred MHz have to produce more, right?

I think the lower-tier AIB cards, using the Nvidia reference design perform pretty much identical to the FE, or even worse.
Take a look at this table somebody compiled: https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/nuvui4/comparison_of_3080ti_cards_from_asus_evga_msi/

Looks like the biggest difference is the 3080ti FE vs the 3080ti Strix LC is 6% at 4k.
While the Zotac & Palit cards seem to be identical performance.

Also shows that the highest gain from OC'ing seems to be like 5%~

 

[Stu]

Nvidia will not cater to you - they'll just make their FE cards. If you want one, you'll get a suitable case, or open bench.

Perhaps next gen will be the last for custom cards, I bet Nvidia are itching to have complete control/dominance over their hardware/software chain, creating a console like market. AMD don't have anywhere near as much marketshare/influence, so I'd image they'll allow custom cards for years, though doubt it'll be profitable for said custom card makers as AMD aren't anywhere near as popular/desirable than Nvidia cards.

I'm not sure we will end up with only FE cards on the market. I assume a big factor will be manufacturing capacity for both chips and card assembly... If Nvidia are able to manufacture a greater proportion of GPUs, after maxing card production then they make additional money by selling excess GPUs to AIB partners. I see this as being similar to Samsung not holding all chips for their own phones... they also supply Apple and other phone manufacturers.

 

[Aegis]

Also shows that the highest gain from OC'ing seems to be like 5%~

That's cumulative with the AIB OC though - so the Asus Strix LC (for example) can be nearly 11% faster than a stock 3080 Ti FE @ 4k.

 

[Rup]

I had a 3080 Asus TUF OC and now have a 3080 FE. Both overclocked to the max, basically the same FPS in AAA games at 1440/4k
My 3070 FE is say 30% slower than my 3080 FE.
Thus, really no real world difference between AIB & FE.

 

[ScottiB]

WHAT?!?!? Someone actually paid £10k for a gfx card and did not use the voucher code?

Auto buy bots operated by people who forgot to set an upper limit

 

[ceeK]

I had a 3080 Asus TUF OC and now have a 3080 FE. Both overclocked to the max, basically the same FPS in AAA games at 1440/4k
My 3070 FE is say 30% slower than my 3080 FE.
Thus, really no real world difference between AIB & FE.

I'd be interested to know the equivalent noise levels for the same performance? Intuition would lead me to believe the FE has to spin faster and create more noise, but keen to hear.

 

[Aegis]

I had a 3080 Asus TUF OC and now have a 3080 FE. Both overclocked to the max, basically the same FPS in AAA games at 1440/4k
My 3070 FE is say 30% slower than my 3080 FE.
Thus, really no real world difference between AIB & FE.

According to TechPowerUp, the TUF OC is actually a worse overclocker than the FE so it's no wonder you wouldn't see any real difference between them (not as bad as the Zotac Trinity though!) Of course, silicon lottery is a thing.

 

[Stu]

Auto buy bots operated by people who forgot to set an upper limit

Did they cancel the purchase or return? Did someone actually pay that much and keep the gfx card? It would make my day knowing a scalper did this by accident and got shafted!

 

[Rup]

I'd be interested to know the equivalent noise levels for the same performance? Intuition would lead me to believe the FE has to spin faster and create more noise, but keen to hear.

Yes the Asus was bit quieter but again nothing significant.

 

[Game]

That's cumulative with the AIB OC though - so the Asus Strix LC (for example) can be nearly 11% faster than a stock 3080 Ti FE @ 4k.

while this might show at clock speeds it doesnt always translate into performance

 

[Rup]

According to TechPowerUp, the TUF OC is actually a worse overclocker than the FE so it's no wonder you wouldn't see any real difference between them (not as bad as the Zotac Trinity though!) Of course, silicon lottery is a thing.

Most reviews eg HWUBX say the TUF is one of the best AIB cards.