Sorry i have no idea what you are saying. I have no idea what any of the above is. I've just been handed this video and was hoping for enlightenment, not hostility.
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Sorry i have no idea what you are saying. I have no idea what any of the above is. I've just been handed this video and was hoping for enlightenment, not hostility.
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Nope no hostility here, just curious. Someone previously posted a video about Voice Attack and what it can do and I cannot see what ARK is doing differently that's all.
Right ok. I'm not implying ARK is doing anything differently, I'm talking about the whole voice command automation thing.
Sorry i should have been clearer.
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Ah right yes its real, very real. Works really well from what I can tell and have seen. Rumours are that CIG are looking at their own voice control system for the game.
This is what they will have to do now. If they don't they will either have to brandish the voice attacks as a cheat.
People without it will be at a massive disadvantage, so either they make one, or they ban it. I guess they went with the right choice.
They would never ban it tbh, you can macro a lot of what is in that video and using something like a Nostromo/G13 or a HOTAS with decent config will keep you on par IMO.
It's an added extra but there is a delay giving voice commands compared to pressing a key, it's handy for some functions and requires less practice but the actual advantage isn't great other than less stress!
It's an added extra but there is a delay giving voice commands compared to pressing a key, it's handy for some functions and requires less practice but the actual advantage isn't great other than less stress!
Soldato
I'd say that it will be useful for those functions that require more than 1 or 2 key presses that are not beside each other, i.e. some power function that requires multiple presses to get it to work... That would be the benefit; or those that require constant key presses to action.
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They're essentially selling VoiceAttack profiles, and audio files to use as responses when executing commands via Voice Attack. The 'ARK software' stuff is just sales fluff to justify charging people for a few mp3's, a premade VA profile and an FAQ.
It's nothing you couldn't do yourself.
Edit: For all of you wanting to make a complicated VA profile with responses, the new VA beta has randomised responses to make it a bit more natural (link).
Saying "Lock Target" can now have 'Target Locked; Target Acquired; Lock Engaged' etc as a response and it'll pick randomly.
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Soldato
I'm a bit on the fence.
On one hand, I understand that I, as a sim enthusiast with a HOTAS and TrackIR etc may have some sort of advantage over someone who doesn't. More the TrackIR freedom though.
When I see that voice attack stuff, It sounds really interesting but it's not as simple as "you can bind it to a key". Stuff like changing power modes takes upwards of 15 or so key presses just to get it into position, something you can't do while fighting easily.
But then you could macro those commands, you're right - I've never really done stuff like that before and I guess it'd be easy to find a program to do it, right now there could be a distinct advantage being able to increase shields in one direction, or power to other systems on command without faffing about.
Ultimately, I could only ever see myself using it to change power modes but I have a feeling the current system will need to be simplified to a key bind as it's really, really bad right now. Change page, cycle until you highlight the power icon and hope you don't cycle past it, make it your focus, spam 8 or 4 to get it to G1 a bunch of times (holding down doesn't seem to work) then press either the "ok" or "back" button.
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People who use it to lock on and fire a missile when it's already on one button... O_o
Sure, if you have a disability.
Soldato
am I the only one that thinks that ARK is cool as hell?
I don't think anyone is saying its not cool or an awesome feature. Its more a question of balance.
If they don't implement this feature to the vanilla client, then anyone who doesn't use voice attacks is at a large disadvantage, excluding the things ChrisJSY has also pointed out.
If i bought this game at launch, not having a clue about the game. I would be using keyboard and mouse and that's it. While you on the other hand would be using a Joystick, Voice Commands and much more. So its more about limiting the advantage, rather then removing something cool.
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As cool as voice is I know my HOTAS keys off by heart and by the time you have spoken command I will have dispatched you
Will be getting Voice myself but would probably use for non essential commands its to slow in a dogfight.
The lag seems ms not seconds, its like having a Playstation controller wired instead of wireless. The lag is minimal.
Its not the lag in so much as the time it takes you say "HAL shields forward" I can simply tap a button of course that's only any good if you have a well setup HOTAS.
Dont get me wrong im sold on this but at my age its hard to remember to do up my flies let alone remember 40 commands
Soldato
Well i'm assuming soon people will just change it to FS/F Shields for Forward Shields for example.
Oh and what is HOTAS? Because I'm just reading Hot Ass!
Hands On Throttle And Stick (HOTAS) basically something like a Saitek X52, Warthog etc. Generally more expensive joysticks that have a partnered throttle.
I pronounce it as you've written Latex, would be a sin not to lol
ARK and voice attack won't be banned though, I'm not convinced there's an advantage to using it more than a keyboard + mouse, hell maybe this is one of those tools that will help bring the controllers to some sort of level playing field.
I pronounce it as you've written Latex, would be a sin not to lol
ARK and voice attack won't be banned though, I'm not convinced there's an advantage to using it more than a keyboard + mouse, hell maybe this is one of those tools that will help bring the controllers to some sort of level playing field.
Ive not used it, but its just like people using programmed keys which many gaming keyboards have, its just a macro bound to a key, and in this case its a macro bound to a voice command.
I really dont see how it could be considered a cheat, or how it could be banned if considered a cheat. The best they could do to block such a macro is enforce a keystroke time delay, so a keypress every 0.1sec or something, meaning you'd have to program a command to pause between keypresses. Ultimately though, 1 keypress/voice command with a macro is going to be quicker and easier than with individual keypresses, however they attempt to stop it.
Travis Day has already said they're excited by the idea and want to implement it. Its not even something thats all that special, my understanding is that windows has this feature built in already, and VA is using that with a user friendly front end.
I really dont see how it could be considered a cheat, or how it could be banned if considered a cheat. The best they could do to block such a macro is enforce a keystroke time delay, so a keypress every 0.1sec or something, meaning you'd have to program a command to pause between keypresses. Ultimately though, 1 keypress/voice command with a macro is going to be quicker and easier than with individual keypresses, however they attempt to stop it.
Travis Day has already said they're excited by the idea and want to implement it. Its not even something thats all that special, my understanding is that windows has this feature built in already, and VA is using that with a user friendly front end.
You can set the delays on keys and most macro software on keyboards like the Logitech G19 and Nostromo etc allow you to perform the action and it records it, so any delays would be pointless, you can also on some software add in a randomisation for the delay, so it's never a carbon copy each time, making it very hard to detect by the game client.
It's basically pointless trying to ban it, so they might as well try to incorporate it. Most people will have a mic these days anyway or you can pick one up very cheaply. In my opinion it gives those who can't afford a HOTAS a nice cheap alternative to all the config for the ships whilst also making it a more unique experience
It's basically pointless trying to ban it, so they might as well try to incorporate it. Most people will have a mic these days anyway or you can pick one up very cheaply. In my opinion it gives those who can't afford a HOTAS a nice cheap alternative to all the config for the ships whilst also making it a more unique experience
Thanks for the info, I've backed the game since Oct 2012 and recently have been looking around some of the orgs for one which is mostly uk based (for time zone reasons), isn't too big and is fun to be in. As I lurk around these forums a lot it seems a good fit.
Do you / will you have any requirements for ts? I'm in a planetside 2 outfit and always listen in to orders etc on ts but don't currently have a mic to return information other than in chat and was wondering if this is ok in the org.