People that still scream scam are just clueless jumping way too late on a bandwagon , although I don't see many of those people these days. Most of the "salty" critics are ex SC backers that have seen the writing on the wall. You can actually, through numerous interviews, conferences, shows etc witness CR losing his grip on reality over the years.
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I disagree with you on the Intel tie in.
The development time used to 'optimise for a specific branded product' is development time that should be used to optimise for all products, i also don't want to see some lame PR guy gurning at the camera amusing as they always do that everyone they speak to is stupid enough to believe the utter BS they are peddling about their over priced products.
Seriously the one thing that they can do which will make me turn in for a refund is turn it into a platform for #### holes trying to manipulate you into buying their trash.
Game Hardware Vendor tie-ins almost universally also end you being optimised for said hardware vendor at the expense of everyother.
This is low brow gutter #### CIG are starting to getting into, do they really need this dirty money?
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The whole marketing campaign they have over twitter and various advertising source is half assed anyway. Nobody worth their salt who understands the basics of hardware will chomp on it they should have employed the marketing team of CIG.
Sadly there are those that exist who have surplus income to spend on it and will do so. I would be interested to see the figures of how many drives they have sold off the back of this. Reason they targeted SC players is because its an endless well of people willing to part with high amounts of cash as everyone is aware. Dirty tactic i would agree but financially i cant bring up an argument valid enough because they are a business and publicity is key here. Is it a slap in the face to backers? Depends on which camp you sit in.
I expect more of this in the future certainly.
think you're reading too much into it. it helped cover the conference costs, companies in my area of work so the same for their conferences tbh. doesn't necessarily change anything development wise in fact CIG have knocked back TrackIR for demanding an exclusive lock on head tracking from what I gather. They have done amd, now Intel. Just hope next it's something like haribo so we can get some in game confectionary on the go!
Its the point I'm making in a round about way i guess. Its business and marketing 101 and like you say it covered the cost of the event (So did the backers paying $50 to attend)
I've lost count how many times a developer defended a Vendor Tie-in that it would not affect other vendors and then clearly did, the now defunct 'nVidia GameWorks' made every game it was touched by run like a tin of rusty nails because it was deliberately designed to exploit AMD's weaknesses, of course while that did work for nVidia their users still lost out because it also had a significant performance degradation on their hardware, just not as much as it did on AMD's hardware, how many of these nVidia sponsored developers had to send their PR guys running round putting out fires on what was wrongly seen as 'optimisation issues' Warner Brothers were forced to refund on one of their Batman titles it ran so bad.
A lot of developers learned a very hard lesson during that time, luckily because of it GameWorks these days is open source on Github because no one wants to use it.
And yes AMD did they same thing with the original 'new' Tomb Raider, TressFX exploited nVidia's lack of compute performance so some sections of the game were like a slide show on the original GTX Titan.
All of these Hardware vendors are at war with eachother, a dirty war that sometimes does and has taken its collateral toll on game developers.
I don't want any of Intel's "optimisation" .dll's in this game.
A lot of developers learned a very hard lesson during that time, luckily because of it GameWorks these days is open source on Github because no one wants to use it.
And yes AMD did they same thing with the original 'new' Tomb Raider, TressFX exploited nVidia's lack of compute performance so some sections of the game were like a slide show on the original GTX Titan.
All of these Hardware vendors are at war with eachother, a dirty war that sometimes does and has taken its collateral toll on game developers.
I don't want any of Intel's "optimisation" .dll's in this game.
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Yep good point about hidden dll's i know this is a sneaky tactic they use or have used in the past to believe you to think your hardware is subpar
Anyone who doesn't know much about Intel's history i recommend this video, hysterically Intel are the worst of the lot for shady competition practices, and i'm not just talking about them paying vendors not to use AMD's at the time much better CPU's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGcG0g7GsOI&t=1991s
Wow, that is exactly what I have been waiting for. Walk around a planet in first person, get in your spacecraft, take-off and fly around the city/planet surface, climb and leave the atmosphere to a space-station, walk around the space station, warp to another systems planet, enter the atmosphere, land on the planet and walk around first person. All seamlessly!
I can forgive them for taking many more years to develop as they are pushing the envelope in all directions.
Wow, that is exactly what I have been waiting for. Walk around a planet in first person, get in your spacecraft, take-off and fly around the city/planet surface, climb and leave the atmosphere to a space-station, walk around the space station, warp to another systems planet, enter the atmosphere, land on the planet and walk around first person. All seamlessly!
I can forgive them for taking many more years to develop as they are pushing the envelope in all directions.
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That is very impressive. There was a game many years ago that tried something similar called Battlecrusier 3000ad but it was plagued with bugs and was overly amibious, looks like it took 20 years and 10's of millions of dollars to finally pull it off.
You shouldn't trust the conspiracy theories he's spewing.
Hardware vendors sponsoring games doesn't usually mean the game will run poorly on other hardware, usually you'd get effects like the Nvidia GameWorks ones or AMD's GPUOpen which specifically take advantage of the vendor's hardware. Of course they will take advantage of things the vendor does better than the competition, for example Nvidia uses tessellation for quite a few of its effects because the geometry pipeline on their GPUs is superior to AMD's, while AMD uses what their GPUs are better at than Nvidia ones, compute. Usually you can disable those effects since they're properly labeled in settings menus, but there are more egregious cases like Doom and Wolfenstein II which exclusively use FP16 and AMD GCN Shader intrinsics for AMD GPUs while their Nvidia "optimizations" are fairly iffy, but even in those games the performance difference between the vendors is minor.
Usually if a game runs poorly it's mainly developer related rather than anything to do with hardware vendors sponsoring the title, but people will just jump to conspiracy theories.
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I'm an original $60 backer of SC, however I haven't spent anymore than that.
It all looks good, but is it going to be fun? I spent the weekend playing Super Mario Odyssey on Switch which was a pure, unadulterated joy.
Star Citizen - completely different games obviously - But am I going to have a fun experience? I'm not so sure now...
Battlecrusier 3000ad was one of Derek Smart's many failures, if you want to have a laugh google 'Derek Smart Star Citizen'
*sniggers*See for me, I would rather never play any video games again than play a Mario game.
I absolutely loathe them and always have done, in fact i hate virtually all Nintendo games apart from Starfox and Wii sports, so its not just the worlds favourite dull ass plumber I cant stand.
However back on point, its going to be like any other MMO, if you cant see the potential in the core conceit, then you wont find any fun at all.
Derek has been hugely entertaining the past couple of days, especially his near nervous breakdown on "the outhouse" on saturday.
You should join us on r/dereksmart if you haven't already.
Nail/head for me to be honest. I say that as someone who finds the alpha extremely good fun with friends but do think that if people were playing it solo it'd just be really frustrating, I don't personally expect that to change much long term either and if I'm honest I don't really care. SC is multiplayer, SQ42 is solo.