******Official Star Citizen / Squadron 42 Thread******

For me, I really wanted it to be successful. I still do. I just don't think, after this long and with this much of the community money invested, that it is or will be.

So I am not sure about the binary fanboy or critic thing.

For me, it's not that I am angry, I am just disappointed...
 
For me, I really wanted it to be successful. I still do. I just don't think, after this long and with this much of the community money invested, that it is or will be.

So I am not sure about the binary fanboy or critic thing.

For me, it's not that I am angry, I am just disappointed...

I am looking forward to my 10 year anniversary of backing this game (roughly November this year for me). I only ever backed it for SQ42, and have no interest in the persistent universe because I know I personally wouldn't ever invest the time to make it interesting to me. Looking at it as a relative outsider, I find it astonishing that it has taken this long to get this far. I accept there have been releases, but to say that it delivers on the promise seems like a lot of wishful thinking in my opinion. When I have logged in to the PU, and struggled to even get in to my one spaceship, that cannot be any form of game to me. Sure, it looks pretty, and the level of design is impressive. But a game... Come on...

Of course, lots of people get lots of enjoyment out of the "game" and good luck to them, but right now I view my investment as dead money and am frankly staggered when I look at the site and continue to see vast sums invested each day/week/month.

Either way, at the time of backing it was part of the deliverable. As yet, there is no deliverable with seemingly no idea of what will be delivered let alone when. If I hadn't given it up as dead money a long time ago, I would not be very happy. It amazes me that this "game" is still backed, and still defended after all this time.

I get there is a lot of good work being done, clever work to design all the things to deal with all the feature creep over the years. But is it really a delivered game after all this time?

I know lots on here feel that it is, that's great and all credit to you. But honestly, I cannot fathom it at all. The very idea that after ~11 years and $599,590,904 of gamers funds at the time of typing this based on the website, the "game" is still in alpha and barely even that is astonishing. That this situation is still defended, well that's something else entirely...

Maybe you can't fathom it because you have no interest the PU and have spent very little time playing it and exploring what you can do.
Is it a stretch to say that you might not have the in-game experience to really form a full opinion?

It's the same story over and over again. While I wouldn't put you in their category, you'll find that 90+% of the more prolific critics in here have little to no knowledge or experience of the game, yet feel fully qualified in giving their firm opinion. They may have tried it very briefly (sometimes years ago), had no idea what they're doing and/or may have tried a very dodgy patch and then come here going on about how crap it is and how it's a scam. Anyone that disagrees with anything they say is obviously suffering from Stockholm syndrome and a cultist that worships Chris etc etc and they've decided that anyone who does enjoy it or question them is also incapable of criticising it... That's what the fanboy/critic comment is about. You saw mint8 predictably demonstrate it earlier.

I'm not attacking you or defending it's lack of major progress, although it has made some big steps over the last couple of years.
The reality is that even the biggest fans are disappointed and find it more than a bit ridiculous that it's taking this long and you might be surprised to know that we all take the p*** out of it. It's just that we have a good time with what is there when it's working reasonably well.
Have people claimed that it's a fully delivered game yet? I don't think anyone has.

As for it being a success or not, the fact that it's still going strong after all this time and people keep quoting the ridiculous amount of money it brings in kinda tells me that it's already is a success and that all those paying customers are still paying and playing for a reason, despite the game being less than perfect.
Will it ever reach full release and will we ever see SQ42? I dunno.
 
Maybe you can't fathom it because you have no interest the PU and have spent very little time playing it and exploring what you can do.
Is it a stretch to say that you might not have the in-game experience to really form a full opinion?

It's the same story over and over again. While I wouldn't put you in their category, you'll find that 90+% of the more prolific critics in here have little to no knowledge or experience of the game, yet feel fully qualified in giving their firm opinion. They may have tried it very briefly (sometimes years ago), had no idea what they're doing and/or may have tried a very dodgy patch and then come here going on about how crap it is and how it's a scam. Anyone that disagrees with anything they say is obviously suffering from Stockholm syndrome and a cultist that worships Chris etc etc and they've decided that anyone who does enjoy it or question them is also incapable of criticising it... That's what the fanboy/critic comment is about. You saw mint8 predictably demonstrate it earlier.

I'm not attacking you or defending it's lack of major progress, although it has made some big steps over the last couple of years.
The reality is that even the biggest fans are disappointed and find it more than a bit ridiculous that it's taking this long and you might be surprised to know that we all take the p*** out of it. It's just that we have a good time with what is there when it's working reasonably well.
Have people claimed that it's a fully delivered game yet? I don't think anyone has.

As for it being a success or not, the fact that it's still going strong after all this time and people keep quoting the ridiculous amount of money it brings in kinda tells me that it's already is a success and that all those paying customers are still paying and playing for a reason, despite the game being less than perfect.
Will it ever reach full release and will we ever see SQ42? I dunno.

This, the game has a lot going for it, there really is nothing else like it, yes it has problems, one of them is CR himself but for a lot of the games critics its obvious they have no idea what they are talking about.
 
So effectively, because I haven't logged hours on an unfinished alpha with performance issues I'm not allowed any opinion that isn't positive? Or I'm wrong despite logging into the PU every few months, seeing the same problems then moving on? How delightful to know that now. Thanks folks
 
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It took me many hours of perseverance and help from friends to realise there many games that i like but never thought i would.

When I have logged in to the PU, and struggled to even get in to my one spaceship, that cannot be any form of game to me.

What that's it? you struggled to get in to your ship and you gave up?

It amazes me that this "game" is still backed

Because most people have figured out of to get in their ship.
 
So effectively, because I haven't logged hours on an unfinished alpha with performance issues I'm not allowed any opinion that isn't positive? Or I'm wrong despite logging into the PU every few months, seeing the same problems then moving on? How delightful to know that now. Thanks folks

Wow... You're actually playing the 'only positive comments are allowed' card in order to avoid addressing what's actually been said.
Are you intentionally missing the point or what?
 
Can't watch on principle of cringe hyperbole 'save gaming', **** off.

Edit. Have watched first video in the past though, enjoyed that one.
 
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Avoidance of a circular conversation, sure. They are ultimately a waste of everyone's time.

If you like the game in the current state, great. I don't.

Do I hope it gets to a point where I want to play it, yes. Am I going to check in on it and install it periodically, absolutely. Is it where it should be by now. Hell no
 
What circular conversation?
The fact that you're avoiding addressing anything that's been said and think I'm implying that only positive comments are allowed says that you either have ridiculously poor reading comprehension and/or that you have too much pride to admit that you haven't scratched the surface and don't really know what you're talking about. I've quoted your own posts that led to this conclusion and you've said nothing of substance to alter that opinion.

Honestly, I say this:
The reality is that even the biggest fans are disappointed and find it more than a bit ridiculous that it's taking this long and you might be surprised to know that we all take the p*** out of it. It's just that we have a good time with what is there when it's working reasonably well.
Have people claimed that it's a fully delivered game yet? I don't think anyone has.
And you somehow draw the conclusion that I'm saying only positive comments are allowed :cry:
 
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Actually, perhaps I've slightly misread your post and don't mind admitting it, so let's address that.

So effectively, because I haven't logged hours on an unfinished alpha with performance issues I'm not allowed any opinion that isn't positive? Or I'm wrong despite logging into the PU every few months, seeing the same problems then moving on? How delightful to know that now. Thanks folks

I've essentially said this already, but just in case it wasn't clear;
No, I'm saying that if you've barely scratched the surface and done very little in a game that you say you're not even interested in to begin with, then you aren't really in a position to firmly comment on it's state or make arguments about there not being a game, nor can you be surprised about not being able to fathom why others enjoy it and fund it.
Nobody's saying you can't criticise it, nobody's arguing with you about it taking far too long or being buggy and nobody's saying it's close to the finished article.

What IS being said is that despite it's shortcomings, it's a unique experience and there's plenty to do and much fun to be had. That's why people play it and it continues to make money and gain new players every day. There's no mystery here.
You also mentioned that some of your performance issues might be down to the E core thing, so there's that.

Off the top of my head, have you ever done stufff like:

- Get chased for 4hrs all over the system with a CS5 by random bounty hunters because you got a crimestat after your mate ran some guy over for flipping the bird at you on a moon outpost, who then returns in a ship and you blow him up after he tries to extort you?
- Break out or break someone else out of prison?
- Driven to the edge of an org controlled jumptown with a mate, gone the last km on foot and taken out multiple ships, vehicles and players with railguns and rifles before they got you?
- Multicrewed during Xenothreat?
- Done a night time cross country road trip with a bunch of mates in multiple vehicles, parked on top of a mountain and shot the breeze while watching the sun rise?
- Been out mining in the ROC while your dozy mate's in the ship and you've ended up being murdered and having your ship and cargo stolen by a bunch of Aussies who skillfully stalked you and crept up in the dark?
- Randomly met people in game, gone on adventures and ended up being good friends with some of those people years later?
- Take a chance on losing all your money by filling a C2/Cat with millions worth of cargo and playing roulette with pirates and 30k's? Now there's a surprising rush!
- Barely escaped after trying to take on a pirate extorting another player and all his mates show up out of nowhere raining hellfire?
- Visit Santa's grotto?
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- Held a bunker from multiple teams of attacking bounty hunters while you and you mates clear crimestats because someone accidentally shot a security guard on an 890 mission and now you're all criminals because you've had to defend yourselves against all the people coming after you?
- Done a from orbit combat drop in a vehicle?
- Destroyed an Idris?
- Filled a MOLE with Quantanium and had to leave someone there as a marker because there's still another half a ship full left?
- Doing bounty hunting stakeouts, chasing them across the system, out of their ship and into a cave where they get the drop on you before being taken out by the other random hunter who landed after you?
- Sneak aboard someone's ship and leave it 20m in the air while they're spawning a vehicle just to be a nob?
- Been EMP'd in atmosphere and dropped to your death?
- Salvaged big ships as part of a Reclaimer crew, whether on the turrets or down in the hold?
- Explored different biomes on a planet or moon?
- Overdosed enemy players and dropped them from orbit?
- Become a drug runner?
- Fully crewed a Hammerhead and informed the entire server that Everus harbour now belongs to you and then enforced it? :D
- Pretended that you totally didn't see Humbug get intentionally murdered by 'friendly' fire?

Etc etc + all the legal and criminal missions, mission chains and a hundred other things I can't even remember doing in a game that apparently doesn't exist.

Whether or not any of that appeals to you, the point is, can you really say that you've played the game and experienced a lot of what it can offer, or have you hopped on briefly from time to time, seen a few glitchy things, flew from A to B then logged off without really doing anything of note?
Your experience may be valid to you, but it seems to be pretty limited based on what you've said.
 
Oh I freely admit my experiences are limited. I also admit that I have little to no interest in the PU, so have not allocated much time to it. However, based on my experiences, I am disappointed, which I think is a reasonable reaction.

All of the things you list sound lovely, I hope someday I get to experience them. In the meantime, I will install it yet again, and see where I get to. If it is not very far, then that's my experience.
 
Oh I freely admit my experiences are limited. I also admit that I have little to no interest in the PU, so have not allocated much time to it. However, based on my experiences, I am disappointed, which I think is a reasonable reaction.

All of the things you list sound lovely, I hope someday I get to experience them. In the meantime, I will install it yet again, and see where I get to. If it is not very far, then that's my experience.
You can experience some of those now....

Nows the time to play the game. Best time because the current code branch has been worked on and bug fixed since April and the servers are not stressed with some free fly event etc.

Once they release the new patch 3.20, it will become unstable again as people will jump on it to experience it and rinse it to death for the first few weeks/month and because it wil be a new code branch with new features, expect bugs that will break the experience here and there.

Honestly, this is the best time to play SC in terms of stability.
 
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