Playstation 4 being announced February 20th?

Murray said:
I just hope it isn't scripted tbh :p Looks like a great game but that would ruin it.
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I don't know, I feel it needs to be slightly scripted for the premise to work. It's one of those games where if missions were completely unscripted then it would just struggle to flow as well. I have no problem with scripting as long as it's subtle and it's not completely scripted. You can have a freeform game with some gentle guidance to help a mission flow better.
 
Shamikebab said:
How? I want to play a game, I turn on the console and click play game.

I want to watch a video, I turn on the console and go to the videos section.

It doesn't impede my ability to play games at all
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I think he's referring to the focus of the console, which should be gaming.

If said manufacturer is pushing for a home entertainment hub, the essence of what the console is for will/may be neglected.
 
Murray said:
Here it is put side by side. One with the developer talking over it and the one that was shown at the event. They are pretty much the exact same except from the car crash.

http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?vide...tch?v=zRt2bw82wYo&start2=213&authorName=Nerd³
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im guessing its a demo level so to speak, just look at the stuff shown for diablo 3 before it launched, none of the stuff has made the game in the same way as it was just setup to show it off. which is nice in a way as it doesnt contain spoilers.
 
GAC said:
im guessing its a demo level so to speak, just look at the stuff shown for diablo 3 before it launched, none of the stuff has made the game in the same way as it was just setup to show it off. which is nice in a way as it doesnt contain spoilers.
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That was many years before though, I think the final product won't be too dissimilar to what we've seen so far
 
Shamikebab said:
That was many years before though, I think the final product won't be too dissimilar to what we've seen so far
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yeah im sure the final game will be something similar but just saying demo levels and the like do crop up more and more now especially while games as still being worked on so the dev team dont have to send a half finished product anywhere to demo it.

but like a lot of things, we just dont know and its all guess work as to what state everythings in.

hell even the final specs for the ps4 are still being worked on acording to sony.
 
ps3ud0 said:
Oh I dont disagree, I just want to understand why GAC thinks its a feature other than the situation just suited both the developer and the console owner at the time (most likely financially). The capabilities there, the generes are there that allow comparable input systems (driving games, sports games etc) - I just dont believe it falls into a feature underused or a missed opportunity, but just a single event.

Fair play I missed the start of the conversation, just dont see it ever really being considered a feature nor enough to extrapolate what could happen next gen. I guess using your reasoning the PS3 can play using Mouse and KB then. I really wonder if the Dreamcast would have done better if Sega had marketed it as such considering Quake was cross platform - quite an interesting thought...

EDIT: Actually you were probably better to answer that question with the specific games rather than saying 'the PS3 and PC are', its near enough misrepresentation.

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Why would Sony want to implement Cross platform play????? Sony want people to play PS4 on PSN not on other platforms!
so much nonsnse talked in this thread by people who clearly couldn't interpret sony's presentation for all the fanboy warring.
 
Shamikebab said:
How? I want to play a game, I turn on the console and click play game.

I want to watch a video, I turn on the console and go to the videos section.

It doesn't impede my ability to play games at all
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If new gen consoles arrive with all those things that Pigeon mentioned, then it stops being a gaming console. People would start buying it for those other features; manufacturers, retailers, and consumers would start selling/buying it as something it shouldn't be. The entire focus of the machine changes and this will effect gaming.
 
eggyoke said:
If new gen consoles arrive with all those things that Pigeon mentioned, then it stops being a gaming console. People would start buying it for those other features; manufacturers, retailers, and consumers would start selling/buying it as something it shouldn't be. The entire focus of the machine changes and this will effect gaming.
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No it doesn't. My smartphone can access the internet, take photos, play music. I can still phone people with it.

You keep saying it will happen but fail to tell me how it will happen?
 
Shamikebab said:
No it doesn't. My smartphone can access the internet, take photos, play music. I can still phone people with it.

You keep saying it will happen but fail to tell me how it will happen?
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And phones have degraded in a way because of that, how long do phones last on a charge now because of needing dual/quad core CPU's?


If they shift there focus from gaming to making it better for everything else then the gamers suffer
 
Shamikebab said:
No it doesn't. My smartphone can access the internet, take photos, play music. I can still phone people with it.

You keep saying it will happen but fail to tell me how it will happen?
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I dont think that is a good comparison to be fair. A phone can do all those other things without compromising its core function, making phone calls.

Let say for example MS heavily focus the next xbox as living room hub/thing and include cameras, PVR, aerials, bluray etc etc, these thing all cost money.

Where is that money going to come from? probably from cheaper gaming hardware on the other end. Now it can still play games as a phone can still make phone calls, but the difference being the gaming performance has been hindered as opposed to the phone call. If a lot of focus and devlopment time has gone into these features, what is going to suffer? the gaming.

Hence why a "games" console, should have gaming at its heart and not the other way around.
 
will13 said:
And phones have degraded in a way because of that, how long do phones last on a charge now because of needing dual/quad core CPU's?


If they shift there focus from gaming to making it better for everything else then the gamers suffer
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I think you have chosen the wrong "feature" of a phone to highlight.
Remember its still possible to turn features / services off to extend battery time.

The thing that struck me is that apart from the Sony PS4 firmware (which isnt likely to affect games in the sense you mean), there is nothing "underlying" apart from what the developers want in that particular game.

Yes you will probably boot up the PS4 and have an app for BR's or something, but thats wiped from the memory when you play a game. Its not like a phone signal still has to be detected (and therefore draining charge) while playing angry birds......or facebook etc is running while you are chatting on the phone etc.
 
Craterloads said:
Let say for example MS heavily focus the next xbox as living room hub/thing and include cameras, PVR, aerials, bluray etc etc, these thing all cost money.
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Why use MS in that example, when Sony with the PS3 done pretty much all you list? Move? Play TV? Bluray? Eye Toy? Not to mention the PS3 is a much better media server over the 360.

So are you saying the PS3 neglected it's gaming side?
 
Craterloads said:
Let say for example MS heavily focus the next xbox as living room hub/thing and include cameras, PVR, aerials, bluray etc etc, these thing all cost money.
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Apart from the airiel , and br (but an optical drive is still required, and in the quantities MS will buy, BR drives will be dirt cheap) there is nothing here that has to be built in.

Camera will be an add-on via usb, PVR is just an app (along with the very cheap aeriel ) which could be bought /downloaded

The PS3 was meant to be a hub, and it didnt have an aeriel or pvr.
 
FrankJH said:
I think you have chosen the wrong "feature" of a phone to highlight.
Remember its still possible to turn features / services off to extend battery time.
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Even if you do that, the battery life isn't the same as say a BB 9780

Point I'm trying to make is why try and make a gaming console do stuff that most people won't even use, and that takes time away from making the gaming side better
 
FrankJH said:
The PS3 was meant to be a hub, and it didnt have an aeriel or pvr.
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Sure it did, it has PlayTV; granted it's not built-in but the functionality was available if you wanted it. That's the way it should stay too, it doesn't need a Freeview tuner built-in. The obvious trend with the games consoles is towards internet-based services anyway, a Freeview tuner makes no sense.
 
HarryPainful said:
I doubt that, no PS3 game has come anywhere near filling a 50GB Br disk and I don't think that will be the case with the PS4.

50GB, think about it.
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I thought the Uncharted ones were around 30GB too - filled up with HD videos of interviews and behind-the-scenes stuff. I suppose the extras and stuff could be put on a second BD and in all likelihood just the game itself would never reach 50GB on the current gen.

But who knows - with 8GB of memory to play around with next-gen those textures are going to be taking up a lot more space than they do now.
 
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