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It's about 4 times as many pixels as 1080p. PC games at that kind of resolution usually require multiple high end graphics cards.
Playstation 4 being announced February 20th?
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It's about 4 times as many pixels as 1080p. PC games at that kind of resolution usually require multiple high end graphics cards.
Read this article at Digital Foundry to see how 4K games work today.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-4k-gaming
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-4k-gaming
who says its last minute, we dont know exactly whats what as far as the time line of this. dont forget the will have had feedback from day one from devs about what they would like or think it would need so i wouldnt be surprised if it comes with 8 gig.
Exactly, a couple. If 4k output is even made possible, it won't have the hardware to run your average game at such a high resolution.
R* already said it's not because of that, keep up.
I like MS + sony so no console war imo both are good and have there own character
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I think hardware wise it will be capable of doing it. If a 7970 on a PC can do 4k then a 7870 on the ps4 will be more than capable. If an ancient 7800gt 256mb can run stunning games in 720p then a 7970m (7870) will do 4k with ease. Anyone know roughly how many times more powerful a 7870 is compared to a 7800gt?
Though personally I wont be considering either til probably Q4 2014 myself, never been one of those people that need to buy things on launch, especially considering how poor reliability will be...
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I think both MS + sony have learned there lesson, I can't see it being unreliable at all, of course the odd few will break but not on a scale to the ps3 or 360 no way.
and as iv said already the lifetime of a playstation is 10 years, we know it will do 4k movies so 4k games will hit before its dead.
The ten year lifespan doesn't really matter though, there'll be a new console out long before that. They aren't going to focus on catering for a resolution that hardly anyone will be using; I'd rather they use that power to have visually impressive games running at 1080p. If they can do 4k, it'll likely be upscaled anyway.
Nearly every console of the last 20 years has had a 10 year lifespan, that doesn't mean they are going to last 10 years just that they COULD.
but I highly doubt there will be another gen "way before that" it's getting to fast as it is.
look at GTA R* have only just got the tech down to do what they want with current gen.
Yes...I know. My point was that by the time 4K gaming is actually relevant to a decent enough userbase, there'll be another generation on the way to replace the "next generation".
I suspect it's got more to do with them trying to squeeze as much as they can from ageing hardware.
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Oh, I believe that 8GB is a possibility, But what I dont believe is there will be 2GB Vram dedicated for the GPU.
There will be a memory pool, for system and GPU, and a more realistic amount of EDRAM. So 4GB\8GB shared between GPU and System. And then I dont know how much edram(at a push)? Considering how ridiculously expensive it is.
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The GT5 delay for the PS3 turned them into a laughing stock. They need to pull something speical in GT6 and do it quicky (say within 1 year of PS4 release date) to make up for it
I would still want full PS3 BC before i switch over, i don't want online streaming *yuck* So i hope this Liverpool chip will do the business.
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You cant emulate a cell processor. So throwing a ps3 game disc into your ps4 wont happen.
again, who says you cant ?
also if there is such a thing as the liverpool we dont even know what it is, for all we know it could be a cell made up from left over cells. dont forget sony ibm and tosh where pinning there hopes on this thing as the next big thing so for all we know there could be a warehouse with a billion cells sat there collecting dust.
i really do wonder why people here know what cant be done, and what can be done. unless theres a lot of console dev's hanging out here then its pure guesswork like the rest of us. i generaly go with a open mind of what can be done when it comes to a new generation as we just dont know whats been worked on.
but for all the people claiming this that and the other cant be done just think how far things have come in tech over the past 5 years.
the biggest jump as ever is the die sizes that are getting smaller and smaller so use less power and create less heat which allows more mhz so a more powerful unit for less issues.
on 4k games, i still say the ps4 will have some at some point, its been rumored (and tbh id be surprised if it didnt) that the ps4 will upscale blurays out of the box so im guessing games and dvd's will be in there as well.
but il put this out there now id expect a 4k wipeout at 60fps turning up at some points and i wouldnt be surprised seeing it on the 20th. that or ridgeracer (just hope we dont have a repeat of the idiocy).
dont forget 4k screens are out there, sure not many on here will be parting with £7k (cheapest on wiki's list of 4k screens a 55" toshiba) soon, but next year who knows, i paid £2k for a 720p 42" plasma and that wasnt seen as a expensive purchase. so 4k this year maybe for a few people next year i can see the £2k mark being hit and many enthusiasts looking at them, especially the movie lovers.
how many of us had a hd screen when the ps3 (or even the 360) first shipped, people really need to sit back and look at whats gone before, so IF the ps4 ships end of the year in japan and north america, and we get a april-sep launch next year i can see 4k tv sales jumping up once that happens.
again this is all best guesses at what is liable to happen, as for what wont happen il say a price point of less than £349, unless the 720 hits at the same time at a lower price point.
but come on people, accept we dont know what can and cant be done as far as the hardware until sony let slip whats actually in the damned thing
£2,000 might not be an expensive purchase to you, but to most other people it is. It was only a few years ago that a significantly large number of consoles (360s and PS3s) were still be used on standard definition TVs. The average person who buys a games console isn't going to be spending thousands on a TV for it as well. HDTVs had already become quite affordable (and I don't mean £2k "affordable") by the time the 360 and PS3 were out and certainly even more so a year later.
HDTVs aren't just going to become obsolete, 4k is going to end up being a niche product for some time and the adoption rate isn't going to be nearly as high as it was for HD simply because people are quite happy with HD, just the same as they're still quite happy with DVD.
If 4k is supported, it'll end up being upscaled and/running at reduced detail/visual levels in order to allow it; they're not going to use all that power to build a 4k native game that only a fraction of the userbase can actually enjoy properly. They need to use that power to make great looking games running at 1080p native, because that (and 720p) is what people will realistically be using.
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@GAC get real, the target resolution of games will be 1920x1080 if were lucky. The rumoured specs would be able to put games out at this.
Pushing 4K movies though I wouldn't be surprised if they did this.
Pushing 4K movies though I wouldn't be surprised if they did this.