Playstation 4 being announced February 20th?

[Psycho Sonny]

current uk average salary is £15-18K.

enthusiasts and geeks will buy 4K in the next 3 years.

4K will become mainstream when sky 4K has been out for more than 2 years, if i had to guess it would be roughly 2020 before 4K becomes normal.

we just purchased a 51" top of the range sammy plasma for the living room last year, do not expect to upgrade it before it's 5 year warranty with john lewis runs out either.

the average person most likely spends somewhere between £300-£800 on a tv, when 4K hits that price point, it should slowly enter most homes.

 

[GAC]

£2,000 might not be an expensive purchase to you, but to most other people it is. It was only a few years ago that a significantly large number of consoles were still be used on standard definition TVs. The average person who buys a games console isn't going to be spending thousands on a TV for it as well. HDTVs had already become quite affordable (and I don't mean £2k "affordable") by the time the 360 and PS3 were out and certainly even more so a year later.

never said £2k was cheap, (could have worded it better) just ment cheap at the time for a 42" 720p plasma, i upgraded from a 32" crt set. the point i was making was there will be more 4k owners out there come next year than a lot of people expect.

sure people wont just throw out there 1080p set and buy a 4k set, but there will be many like me who still have a 720p set and want to upgrade to a 1080p set anyways but just didnt bother to for the sake of it. iv had mine for going on 8 years now, so next year money willing il be looking for a upgrade probably. weather i go for 4k or just a 1080p set and get a 4k projector for films later on i dont know.

again with 4k games i can see a few floating around wipeout, ridgeracer and probably tekken at some point more used as tech demo's than anything else.

 

[GAC]

@GAC get real, the target resolution of games will be 1920x1080 if were lucky. The rumoured specs would be able to put games out at this.

Pushing 4K movies though I wouldn't be surprised if they did this.

im not saying ALL GAMES im saying some will turn up in 4k, as tech demo;s how else will sony (and ms if they go 4k) sell they shiney new product especially at trade show's.

 

[harshuk]

It seems like the worst kept secret. Be interesting for sure

 

[Psycho Sonny]

im not saying ALL GAMES im saying some will turn up in 4k, as tech demo;s how else will sony (and ms if they go 4k) sell they shiney new product especially at trade show's.

lol, they cannot even make games at 1080P atm, how do you expect 4K before ps5?

i want full 1080P gaming on the ps4, i wont be going near 4K until the ps5 most likely

 

[GAC]

lol, they cannot even make games at 1080P atm, how do you expect 4K before ps5?

i want full 1080P gaming on the ps4, i wont be going near 4K until the ps5 most likely

yes they can on the pc at the mo very easily im only rocking a i5 at 3ghz (4 cores) and a ati 4870 1gig (a very old card) and i can still play games at 1920/1200 without having to butcher the looks too much.

so for a new system with a lot more power than mine 4k should be doable especially without windows bloating the system and also for the games being written for a specific hardware set, not for a random group of many different things.

 

[TheVoice]

But if it's a choice between using all that power to render a game at 4k, or render it at 1080p with an overall higher quality level of visuals, effects etc, it's obvious which route they'll take.

 

[WingZero30]

But if it's a choice between using all that power to render a game at 4k, or render it at 1080p with an overall higher quality level of visuals, effects etc, it's obvious which route they'll take.

Exactly this

 

[Streeteh]

But if it's a choice between using all that power to render a game at 4k, or render it at 1080p with an overall higher quality level of visuals, effects etc, it's obvious which route they'll take.

Indeed. I mean for gods sake, a huge percentage of the console user-base don't even have 1080p yet, let alone 3D etc. To target a console that is being released within the next year or so at being able to render (well) at 4k would be madness.

1080p @60fps with 3D would be lovely, my ideal outcome, but I reckon the majority of games released for the next gen will be plain old 1080p @ 30fps.

 

[wannabedamned]

again, who says you cant ?

also if there is such a thing as the liverpool we dont even know what it is, for all we know it could be a cell made up from left over cells. dont forget sony ibm and tosh where pinning there hopes on this thing as the next big thing so for all we know there could be a warehouse with a billion cells sat there collecting dust.

i really do wonder why people here know what cant be done, and what can be done. unless theres a lot of console dev's hanging out here then its pure guesswork like the rest of us. i generaly go with a open mind of what can be done when it comes to a new generation as we just dont know whats been worked on.

but for all the people claiming this that and the other cant be done just think how far things have come in tech over the past 5 years.

the biggest jump as ever is the die sizes that are getting smaller and smaller so use less power and create less heat which allows more mhz so a more powerful unit for less issues.

on 4k games, i still say the ps4 will have some at some point, its been rumored (and tbh id be surprised if it didnt) that the ps4 will upscale blurays out of the box so im guessing games and dvd's will be in there as well.

but il put this out there now id expect a 4k wipeout at 60fps turning up at some points and i wouldnt be surprised seeing it on the 20th. that or ridgeracer (just hope we dont have a repeat of the idiocy).

dont forget 4k screens are out there, sure not many on here will be parting with £7k (cheapest on wiki's list of 4k screens a 55" toshiba) soon, but next year who knows, i paid £2k for a 720p 42" plasma and that wasnt seen as a expensive purchase. so 4k this year maybe for a few people next year i can see the £2k mark being hit and many enthusiasts looking at them, especially the movie lovers.
how many of us had a hd screen when the ps3 (or even the 360) first shipped, people really need to sit back and look at whats gone before, so IF the ps4 ships end of the year in japan and north america, and we get a april-sep launch next year i can see 4k tv sales jumping up once that happens.

again this is all best guesses at what is liable to happen, as for what wont happen il say a price point of less than £349, unless the 720 hits at the same time at a lower price point.

but come on people, accept we dont know what can and cant be done as far as the hardware until sony let slip whats actually in the damned thing

I'm going on technical limitations, no current tech, even PC based is capable of emulating the cell architecture to a reasonable degree, SPEs,etc. So I cant fathom how they would put something with the capability into a console. Especially considering its AMD based.

i7-3970X isnt capable... So a console based on a lesser chip wont beable to do it.

Fair enough if its another cell in the PS4. But everything we've seen so far say its not.

 

[atpbx]

current uk average salary is £15-18K.

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http://career-advice.monster.co.uk/...-advice/uk-average-salary-graphs/article.aspx

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[malachi]

Why is people expecting the PS4 to do 4k? Is it because that was the hype at CES? Just like 3D was at one stage and look how quickly that went out of the window.

If the PS4 does support some form of 4K then it will be something like "4K Ready" and wont display proper 4K. Just like the first "HD Ready" Tv's which can only do max 720, not full 1080. Then people realised what proper HD TV's were sometime after.

Rumours going round about the PS4 is using off the shelf PC components then there is no way it will be playing games at 4k. I'm sure there isnt a single graphic card on the market which run games at 4k res without using multiple cards, even then the performance isnt great. If anything the PS4 will upscale or only display movies at 4k.

Also 4k is still going through development, when it gets finalized to go mainstream it might not use HDMI or DisplayPort but a new connection which will remove the limitations 4k currently has, might cut down cost too. Obviously the PS4 wont support this.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

yes they can on the pc at the mo very easily im only rocking a i5 at 3ghz (4 cores) and a ati 4870 1gig (a very old card) and i can still play games at 1920/1200 without having to butcher the looks too much.

so for a new system with a lot more power than mine 4k should be doable especially without windows bloating the system and also for the games being written for a specific hardware set, not for a random group of many different things.

a lot more power than yours? lmao, you do know consoles are usually around the £300-£500 price mark? therefore you cannot really compare it to a pc, you will also have custom made your pc, taking away labour, advertising, transport, and all other associated costs of a console.

consoles are usually custom low to mid range in terms of pc spec, also they never get hardware updates unlike a custom pc build, therefore when the ps3 was released in late 2006, the internals were of a early low - mid level 2006 pc.

Memory 256 MB system and 256 MB video

i think my pc even though it wasn't top of the range in 2006 had more than 256mb of ram, etc, it had 4GB iirc.


there is no way the ps4 will have 4K gaming unless it is a basic game, like tekken or wipeout where there is not much going on.

in fact im pretty confident not all games will even run at 1080P @ 60HZ to begin with, but i hope after a year or two they all do.

http://career-advice.monster.co.uk/...-advice/uk-average-salary-graphs/article.aspx

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look at the Average UK Salary by Employment Status graph

as you can see

part time - £15K
temporary - £19K
temp to perm - £18K
permanent - £24K


therefore average is slightly higher than 15-18K, but not by much, probably £17-20K, due to the recession, and a lot of people out of permanent work

 

[GAC]

well if it does come with a 7800 or better card in it, it blows my lowly 4870 out of the water for starters.

 

[Broken Hope]

a lot more power than yours? lmao, you do know consoles are usually around the £300-£500 price mark? therefore you cannot really compare it to a pc, you will also have custom made your pc, taking away labour, advertising, transport, and all other associated costs of a console.

consoles are usually custom low to mid range in terms of pc spec, also they never get hardware updates unlike a custom pc build, therefore when the ps3 was released in late 2006, the internals were of a early low - mid level 2006 pc.

Memory 256 MB system and 256 MB video

i think my pc even though it wasn't top of the range in 2006 had more than 256mb of ram, etc, it had 4GB iirc.

I'd love to see any PC built around 2006 pull off the Uncharted or God of War series, it won't.

Yes the PS3 wasn't uber high spec at launch compared to the PC's of the time, but being fixed hardware and being able to be coded to the metal has its advantages.

 

[Streeteh]

This seems to be a debate of whether the PS4 will be able to HANDLE 4k rather than what the real debate should be; is there any point in it outputting 4k?

Aside from HDMI limitations, the PS3 hardware is capable of outputting games at 4k i'm sure, they'd just look like garbage (very high res garbage). In fact the PS3 has proven its capable of outputting at 1080p on several occasions, however its more popular for developers to develop games to run at 720p. Why? As you can make it look better as less of the hardware is being utilized to output the much higher 1080p resolution. Also a large number of the userbase don't even OWN 1080p displays, why bother decreasing the 'eye candy' within a game when a large chunk of your users won't see the benefit gained by making this sacrifice.

The same will be the case for 4k, it's too young a format for it to be even worth designing the console to output games at that resolution. They would appear far better to the vast majority of their userbase if designed to run at 1080p (perhaps they'll even be cheeky enough to remain down at 720p?). It would just be utter madness to incur the extra production costs required to allow for 4k gaming when the vast majority of the userbase won't have access to the format for a long, long time.

 

[Craterloads]

Going off rumoured specs the ps4 will be more than capable of handling gaming at 4k. If the 7970 can run 4k on a PC then a 7870 will easily do it on a console. Although I agree there is no point designing games at 4k in the next 3-4 years, there's definetly the possibility in house studio design games for 4k in the future on the ps4. It's a selling point and being future proof. Lets not forget Sony pushed the latest tech and made both ps2/ps3 future proof with unheard of tech at the time including blueray and DVD formats. So it's not a shocker or a surprise that Sony will push 4k with the ps4, it's not a question of if, but when.

 

[beachBOYken]

Going off rumoured specs the ps4 will be more than capable of handling gaming at 4k. If the 7970 can run 4k on a PC then a 7870 will easily do it on a console. Although I agree there is no point designing games at 4k in the next 3-4 years, there's definetly the possibility in house studio design games for 4k in the future on the ps4. It's a selling point and being future proof. Lets not forget Sony pushed the latest tech and made both ps2/ps3 future proof with unheard of tech at the time including blueray and DVD formats. So it's not a shocker or a surprise that Sony will push 4k with the ps4, it's not a question of if, but when.

Not many TV'S with 4k yet unless you can afford a 65" 4k at £20,000

 

[Craterloads]

Not many TV'S with 4k yet unless you can afford a 65" 4k at £20,000

I am aware hence why I stated no point doing it now. When the ps3 introduced blu ray, how many blue-ray players were there ? How available was blue ray content at the time? Play station has always future proofed, and I bet you my left foot Sony will be pushing it as a selling point. Like I said its a question of when not if.

Edit: you can pick up a toshiba 55" 4k tv for sub £6000 grand, in two years time imagine the price and so and so on.

 

[beachBOYken]

I am aware hence why I stated no point doing it now. When the ps3 introduced blu ray, how many blue-ray players were there ? How available was blue ray content at the time? Play station has always future proofed, and I bet you my left foot Sony will be pushing it as a selling point. Like I said its a question of when not if.

Edit: you can pick up a toshiba 55" 4k tv for sub £6000 grand, in two years time imagine the price and so and so on.

I was aware you was aware I was just stating that to the point you was making