Playstation 4 being announced February 20th?

It was rumoured Sony would try and push another technology to help get this into peoples living rooms. 4K was seen running before with GT5 using multiple PS3 systems.

Sony as said pushed very hard with the Blu Ray players, the PS3 cost so much at launch because of the Blu Ray drive. It did pay off for Sony in the end though once HD DVD was buried, I do wonder what would have happened if HD DVD hadn’t been disbanded. Sony tried to use the PS3 to make inroads, although not as heavy with 3D gaming.

Anyhow, 4K gaming isn’t something I foresee as something that will be the next playstations biggest selling point – if indeed 4K is something the new console can theoretically archive. I mean, Sony talked of 1080p gaming with the Ps3, and we all know how well that turned out, now don’t’ we.

True 1440p gaming will require some serious power to push that resolution at an acceptable frame rate, and going on the PS3 past performance it was a struggle for some developers to obtain smooth tear free 720p at times, granted talented studios that know how to exploit every ounce of power out of what hardware they are working with will no doubt get fantastic results with whatever Sony has planned, but I doubt 4K gaming will be its biggest selling point.

It’ll be, although I’ve got nothing to back this up with like today’s 720p vs 1080p. Sure Ps3 could do 1080p, but it was rare or reserved for games that didn’t need lots of textures or only those who exploited all they could by using some very clever programming. Wipeout HD was 1080p but it had a very clever adaptive resolution trick, and it screen tore, much like GT5 did.

For me, I’ll not be so keen to buy another Playstation console, the PS3 truth told hasn’t impressed me as much as I once thought it did.

I’d rather have a system that offers smooth silky 60 /30fps 1080 gaming then a system that tries to do a resolution it can’t fully handle and things like V Sync or triple buffering if enabled causes controller lag or are adaptive and so when the system struggles you end up with tears across the screen, or fancy bloom effects to mask the low textures..

I’d like to see a system that offers HD 4K textures but 1080p, F1 2012 looked truly awful on the PS3, yet you obtain some good texture updates for the PC version, run at 1080p at 60fps, you can instantly tell the difference. This, is what PS4 should be looking at, as for the next few years many will have 1080p sets, 4K will eventually see its way into living rooms, but if Sony tries to sell a machine at 4K we’ll be back to where we are now with the PS3, poor textures and poor performance.. PS3 has always been a 720p console at best in all honesty. PS4 should focus on 1080p, and not 4K. Unless Sony can release a console with 7850 crossfire performance for sub £300… Hmm

I’ll wait and see, hoping for something good…
 
4k will be the 1080 of today with only a very few select games running at native 1080 (more so on Playstation), but most games will run at 1080 upscalled to 4k in 2-3 years time. I think the console is bound to be able to output in 4k as I'm guessing Sony will want this console to last another 5 years+ in which 4k TV will be around for enthusiasts and probably less so for mass market.

I doubt next-gen consoles will be capable of running native 4k resolution while retaining the high graphical fidelity we expect unless it is designed from the ground up to support that. So expect to see a few odd titles touting 4k resolution but I doubt mainstream games will aim for the small niche that will have 4k TVs in 2015/2016 and would rather use the memory for other graphical effects. Maybe later down the line though in 2018ish when there are more 4k TVs in peoples homes and developers become even more comfortable with the consoles they could push the resolution higher.

I also think we might see a few teething problems of developers getting used to the new hardware meaning a lot of early games may not even do 1080 depending if they create brand new engines or continue to use their previous ones if they plan to release titles on the current generation still. Like COD2 at 360 launch :) This isn't aimed that a console can't do it, it is more that it may not be feasible for the game to be developed with 1080 in mind.
 
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I also think we might see a few teething problems of developers getting used to the new hardware meaning a lot of early games may not even do 1080 depending if they create brand new engines or continue to use their previous ones if they plan to release titles on the current generation still. Like COD2 at 360 launch :) This isn't aimed that a console can't do it, it is more that it may not be feasible for the game to be developed with 1080 in mind.
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it will be more down to the operating system than the actual hardware if the ps4 is an all amd/ati machine, the devs cant whine this time (john carmack and gabe have no excuse this time) about it being stuff they havent used before.

if the os is linux based and not some sony special own brand thing i can see some great games hitting earlier than previous incarnations.
 
iv-tecman said:
I’d rather have a system that offers smooth silky 60 /30fps 1080 gaming then a system that tries to do a resolution it can’t fully handle and things like V Sync or triple buffering if enabled causes controller lag or are adaptive and so when the system struggles you end up with tears across the screen, or fancy bloom effects to mask the low textures..

I’ll wait and see, hoping for something good…
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In all honesty for you I say to give up on console gaming full stop, you are quite sensitive to screen tearing and other graphic anomalies so while you cant get full featured LODs like you can on the PC, console developers will still exploit 'cheap tricks' to cheat detail/speed when ultimately the payoff is graphically more 'rewarding'. If you fall into the small minority thats affected by this, then unfortunately your satisfication will be marred.

I completely agree with your sentiments that 1080p gaming with a fixed FPS rate is the way to go, but once games push the console something will have to give to hit those performance levels and luckily for me I have a tolerance to that, or more likely am more forgiving compared to if it was a PC game where Ive got better control of my experience, hell Ive gotten used to jaggies...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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4k will be the 1080 of today with only a very few select games running at native 1080 (more so on Playstation), but most games will run at 1080 upscalled to 4k in 2-3 years time. I think the console is bound to be able to output in 4k as I'm guessing Sony will want this console to last another 5 years+ in which 4k TV will be around for enthusiasts and probably less so for mass market.

I doubt next-gen consoles will be capable of running native 4k resolution while retaining the high graphical fidelity we expect unless it is designed from the ground up to support that. So expect to see a few odd titles touting 4k resolution but I doubt mainstream games will aim for the small niche that will have 4k TVs in 2015/2016 and would rather use the memory for other graphical effects. Maybe later down the line though in 2018ish when there are more 4k TVs in peoples homes and developers become even more comfortable with the consoles they could push the resolution higher.
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Agreed though can we all please drop the talk about 4K gaming, its kinda made this thread pointless! Especially on something the vast majority wont have this decade and even a small minority will have within the next 5years - I know theres a point to future-proofing but maybe its just more pertinent to talk about what the new consoles will do in the meanwhile, unless we are just going to buy them and keep them boxed til our 4KTV turns up?

Sony like all product manufacturers will aim the PS4 to the highest subsection of their market which is not euthusiasts; nVidia/AMD dont make their money selling high end GFX cards, nor do Dell selling their gaming laptops etc. so its quite an assumption using that as reasoning for the existence/need? of 4K gaming on this console generation anyhow IMO.

I can definitely see 4K BD turning up though, Sony makes money from BD licenses and obviously movies are far far less taxing than games, so it stands to reason for Sony to ensure their 'top end BD player' keeps up with those standards.

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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Agreed though can we all please drop the talk about 4K gaming, its kinda made this thread pointless! Especially on something the vast majority wont have this decade and even a small minority will have within the next 5years - I know theres a point to future-proofing but maybe its just more pertinent to talk about what the new consoles will do in the meanwhile, unless we are just going to buy them and keep them boxed til our 4KTV turns up?

Sony like all product manufacturers will aim the PS4 to the highest subsection of their market which is not euthusiasts; nVidia/AMD dont make their money selling high end GFX cards, nor do Dell selling their gaming laptops etc. so its quite an assumption using that as reasoning for the existence/need? of 4K gaming on this console generation anyhow IMO.

I can definitely see 4K BD turning up though, Sony makes money from BD licenses and obviously movies are far far less taxing than games, so it stands to reason for Sony to ensure their 'top end BD player' keeps up with those standards.

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Agreed, this is about all you'll get. Yep, Dell doesn't sell only their gaming Alienware laptops to make money, nore do AMD with super high end GFX cards, Sony will want to release a games console that is able to make money and get folks gaming on consoles..

As for me giving up gaming consoles, I still live in hope that smooth silk 30/60fps with no screen tear will be what the PS4 is about lol I can only hope..

Its nice to have a quick fire up and go big screen games console in the living room. I've got a laptop that can game at 1080p 60fps but would be nice to have a system connected all the time, although its no problem hooking my gaming laptop up for large screen Steam big picture mode PC gaming : - )
 
The problem ultimately is that when console developers start taxing a fixed system something will have to give to give them that graphics fidelity or that frame rate, its just a given that those corners cut may affect some people, its gonna be impossible to avoid, so either jump ship or just accept it for what it is.

I had to do that latter, havent looked back since - console gaming is what it is, it really shouldnt be compared to PC gaming when ones goalposts are fixed and the others isnt, just never going to be a fair comparison but always a compromise...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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People who are expecting to see 1080@60 are kidding themselves. The devs will sacrifice framerate and resolution in favour of fancier effects just like this gen. I'm willing to bet you'll see many top tier games running sub 720p again.
 
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Find it likely they'll announce it on the 20th but not released for a few years.
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Which would be a decent way to lop a chuck off of their share price imo. No way they would announce now for a release in a few years, that's just handing the game to MS.
 
most people don't play consoles as close to the screen as pc so i don't think they will see a difference. I'd rather have the extra frames and maybe some nicer textures than 4k. Also why do you even need 4k because the tv that is broadcast at the moment is mostly sd or 720p, so a 4k tv is pointless, never mind a game console with a 4k output which it can't even get a decent frame rate at.
 
Jumper118 said:
most people don't play consoles as close to the screen as pc so i don't think they will see a difference. I'd rather have the extra frames and maybe some nicer textures than 4k. Also why do you even need 4k because the tv that is broadcast at the moment is mostly sd or 720p, so a 4k tv is pointless, never mind a game console with a 4k output which it can't even get a decent frame rate at.
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Good point re 4K - be nice to see how large a TV and how near you would have to be to appreciate it over 1080p. Im sure theres a website that gives you those kinds of figures, my assumption would be half the distance of 1080p for a similar sized TV. Off to rob a bank for an 80"+ then :p...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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People who are expecting to see 1080@60 are kidding themselves. The devs will sacrifice framerate and resolution in favour of fancier effects just like this gen. I'm willing to bet you'll see many top tier games running sub 720p again.
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I disagree. I think (hope) that's the least we can expect. Sure there will be some crap out there but the devs who know their stuff (Naughty Dog etc) will be creating beautiful amazing games for us all.
 
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I disagree. I think (hope) that's the least we can expect. Sure there will be some crap out there but the devs who know their stuff (Naughty Dog etc) will be creating beautiful amazing games for us all.
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I agree. If we're just going to have more 720p games with some fancier effects, I don't really see the point in spending the money on a new console. At least at the start of the console's life. Obviously the graphics will improve with time as has been seen by this generation.
 
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I agree. If we're just going to have more 720p games with some fancier effects, I don't really see the point in spending the money on a new console. At least at the start of the console's life. Obviously the graphics will improve with time as has been seen by this generation.
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you do know that most people can't notice the difference between 720P and 1080P?

in fact they reckon you need at least a 42" tv before you can see any differences.

i hope all games are 720P @ 60fps minimum.

but i would prefer a game be 720P @ 60fps with better graphics than 1080P and same graphics wise as the current console.

take fifa for example, players and the pitch look great, i do not even think this runs at 720P, it is lower and upscaled to 720P, but the stadiums and fans look terrible, as do the coaches, there is no linesmen or 4th, 5th and 6th officials. you do not see injured players being treated at the side of the pitch, etc.

therefore i would prefer this games gets all of the above made a lot better and now run at 720P, instead of being upscaled to 1080P with the same crap.
 
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