Quest 2, Which WiFi6 Router?

[melmac]

ah ok, the game ran really well so I just left it at 500. I'll drop it down to 350. Yep, when I use wifi I change it back to 0.

I run AC from the custom launcher which has pixel density set to 1 which I am lead to believe means it will use the oculus settings. There is a marked difference when going from 1.0 - 1.2 etc etc so it must be working.

My monitor is switched on though, and I can see the game on screen.....you don't think it is running the game twice do you? I'll try running the game with it switched off next.

Unfortunately, it's not always the same for everyone. Some people can run 500 without any issues, some start having flickering issues or sound drop outs.

AS for AC rendering the game twice, I believe it was this game. I don't play any racing car sims, so I might be remembering this wrongly, or getting it mixed up with different racing car game. There definitely was something messed up with the resolution of the game on a monitor and in VR.

It seems to be a very problematic game for VR. But, I think you should be able to use 90hz and the full render resolution with your GPU.

And, sorry I meant to tell you earlier. Download Oculus Tray Tool and use that to turn off AWS if it's annoying you.

 

[glenimp617]

Unfortunately, it's not always the same for everyone. Some people can run 500 without any issues, some start having flickering issues or sound drop outs.

AS for AC rendering the game twice, I believe it was this game. I don't play any racing car sims, so I might be remembering this wrongly, or getting it mixed up with different racing car game. There definitely was something messed up with the resolution of the game on a monitor and in VR.

It seems to be a very problematic game for VR. But, I think you should be able to use 90hz and the full render resolution with your GPU.

And, sorry I meant to tell you earlier. Download Oculus Tray Tool and use that to turn off AWS if it's annoying you.

Thanks, just got the tray tool. That will speed things up.

Having to give VR a miss today. Woke up, and my face is all red and itchy. Think the foam padding has irritated me. I'll have to put the silicon one on I think.

 

[glenimp617]

@melmac I managed to track my problem down. Like a numpty, I thought the 1.x setting for SS was the resolution of the headset lol

Turns out I was running 1.7x resolution in the oculus app, and then 1.4x SS in the tray tool. I've dialed the SS back to 1.2x and now have +25% gpu headroom. Amazing how much extra load that SS takes up.

 

[melmac]

@melmac I managed to track my problem down. Like a numpty, I thought the 1.x setting for SS was the resolution of the headset lol

Turns out I was running 1.7x resolution in the oculus app, and then 1.4x SS in the tray tool. I've dialed the SS back to 1.2x and now have +25% gpu headroom. Amazing how much extra load that SS takes up.

LOL, I told you to check where you had SS applied

Glad you got it sorted though!! Hope you have a good Christmas.

 

[glenimp617]

LOL, I told you to check where you had SS applied

Glad you got it sorted though!! Hope you have a good Christmas.

Thanks mate, you too

 

[Devrij]

Hi gents, I'm trying to get air link going at home, but had some major performance issues (massive latency and hangs, pixelation) on my existing setup (virgin hub 4 wired to PC, but with a wall between the router and quest 2). This is with a 5800x and 3080 so PC should be up to it. Even in the same room as the router (5ft away) performance is a bit iffy at times. Even with bit rate set to the minimum

Are there any steps I should take to evaluate where the issue is and make improvements, or is it just a case of getting a wifi6 router?

 

[Unseul]

Hi gents, I'm trying to get air link going at home, but had some major performance issues (massive latency and hangs, pixelation) on my existing setup (virgin hub 4 wired to PC, but with a wall between the router and quest 2). This is with a 5800x and 3080 so PC should be up to it. Even in the same room as the router (5ft away) performance is a bit iffy at times. Even with bit rate set to the minimum

Are there any steps I should take to evaluate where the issue is and make improvements, or is it just a case of getting a wifi6 router?

How many other things on the network? Can you dedicate the 5ghz channel to just your quest 2?

 

[Devrij]

How many other things on the network? Can you dedicate the 5ghz channel to just your quest 2?

A fair few. Maybe 8 or 9 if you count TVs, with only 2 wired. I don't know if I can restrict the 5ghz channel to a single device in the virgin hub software (just on or off). It probably doesn't help that the router has to sit in the corner with the TV so not sure if that is causing any interference.

The virgin hub 4 is pretty naff,

 

[Unseul]

A fair few. Maybe 8 or 9 if you count TVs, with only 2 wired. I don't know if I can restrict the 5ghz channel to a single device in the virgin hub software (just on or off). It probably doesn't help that the router has to sit in the corner with the TV so not sure if that is causing any interference.

The virgin hub 4 is pretty naff,

Worth checking, I didn't think I'd be able to with my BT hub thing, but I could. Not that it helped much. I'm holding off buying a router until we finally move house, and I know what I need then.

 

[drakulton]

A fair few. Maybe 8 or 9 if you count TVs, with only 2 wired. I don't know if I can restrict the 5ghz channel to a single device in the virgin hub software (just on or off). It probably doesn't help that the router has to sit in the corner with the TV so not sure if that is causing any interference.

The virgin hub 4 is pretty naff,

I picked up one of the Honor/Huawei 3 routers in the sales before xmas dedicated to just VR. seems to work a treat with airlink.

 

[varkanoid]

A fair few. Maybe 8 or 9 if you count TVs, with only 2 wired. I don't know if I can restrict the 5ghz channel to a single device in the virgin hub software (just on or off). It probably doesn't help that the router has to sit in the corner with the TV so not sure if that is causing any interference.

The virgin hub 4 is pretty naff,

I've got 16 devices connected to my BT Smarthub 2 and the Quest 2 works fine via Virtual Desktop. Check on the Quest 2 what its reporting as the connection speed and maybe try Virtual Desktop. There are settings in the Oculus app on the PC (so I read) to change to improve the connection. I tried Airlink once and the Oculus app just crashed I`m a firm believer in Virtual Desktop its been refined really well during the Quest 1 time and works excellent. I was only going to go down the dedicated router step if I had problems but its giving me 866Mbps connection so happy with it, or should I say the two sons are not had chance to play and test it myself in different locations apart from the lounge but I have a WIFI disc in there anyway so prob would never need a dedicated router.

I picked up one of the Honor/Huawei 3 routers in the sales before xmas dedicated to just VR. seems to work a treat with airlink.

Cant say where as its a competitor but the offer is still on and £30 for AX3000 WIFI 6 is a bargain just for the Quest 2 usage.

 

[melmac]

Hi gents, I'm trying to get air link going at home, but had some major performance issues (massive latency and hangs, pixelation) on my existing setup (virgin hub 4 wired to PC, but with a wall between the router and quest 2). This is with a 5800x and 3080 so PC should be up to it. Even in the same room as the router (5ft away) performance is a bit iffy at times. Even with bit rate set to the minimum

Are there any steps I should take to evaluate where the issue is and make improvements, or is it just a case of getting a wifi6 router?

Check the cable connection between your router and your PC, make sure it's a gigabit connection. (CAT 5e or better cable)

Have you changed any settings in the Oculus Debug tool? You might have changed the Encode Bitrate for the Link connection, but, you need to set that back to 0 for Airlink.

The only other thing you can try is to check the settings in the the wireless section on the router. Changing the Channel used, make sure the transmit power is full and that the bandwidth is 20/40. You can use a phone app to check which wireless channel is best for you to use.

If none of those things makes a difference, then, yeah, the Wireless on the Hub 4 isn't good enough and you will need to get a dedicated router for the Quest 2.

You don't need a Wifi 6 router if you are getting one dedicated as a Wifi 6 router. But, the Honor/Huawei 3 one mentioned is pretty cheap and works for most people. I say most people because sometimes they are terrible.

 

[Devrij]

Thanks guys, I fired up virtual desktop and in the exact same setup it was grand, with only very occasional hiccups, and it looked less compressed too. Nuts how much difference it made! I might try to get the router suggested as 30 quid is not much to lose.

 

[melmac]

Thanks guys, I fired up virtual desktop and in the exact same setup it was grand, with only very occasional hiccups, and it looked less compressed too. Nuts how much difference it made! I might try to get the router suggested as 30 quid is not much to lose.

At Virtual Desktop's default settings you are probably running a much lower resolution than what Airlink was using. Hence why it seems to run better with less compression artifacts.

Or to put it another way, Virtual desktop hasn't solved the problem, it's just masked it a little.

 

[Devrij]

At Virtual Desktop's default settings you are probably running a much lower resolution than what Airlink was using. Hence why it seems to run better with less compression artifacts.

Or to put it another way, Virtual desktop hasn't solved the problem, it's just masked it a little.

Ah gotcha, well I may give the old second router job a go then

 

[varkanoid]

Ah gotcha, well I may give the old second router job a go then

the easier answer is to go into the Virtual Desktop settings and turn them up a bit or put them on max, then see how the experience is. Getting the second router wont necessarily improve Airlink unless you check what settings and resolution Airlink is using compared to Virtual Desktop.

https://new.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/wiki/faq/virtualdesktop#wiki_settings

https://uploadvr.com/how-to-air-link-pc-vr-quest-2/

have a read at this too

https://www.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/comments/nbs19k/airlink_seems_to_render_at_a_lower_resolution/

 

[melmac]

the easier answer is to go into the Virtual Desktop settings and turn them up a bit or put them on max, then see how the experience is. Getting the second router wont necessarily improve Airlink unless you check what settings and resolution Airlink is using compared to Virtual Desktop.

https://new.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/wiki/faq/virtualdesktop#wiki_settings

If he still is getting occasional hiccups while using the lower settings, I doubt it's going to improve by increasing the settings.

Getting a dedicated router is the best route to take.

 

[varkanoid]

If he still is getting occasional hiccups while using the lower settings, I doubt it's going to improve by increasing the settings.

Getting a dedicated router is the best route to take.

Its not really "lower settings" its the default settings so unless you can say what they are in Airlink compared to what it is in Virtual desktop then that removes doubt.

Comparing Airlink (which isnt working well) with Virtual Desktop (which is working better) with the same or similiar settings is worth it. Plus you can do it for free before spending any money and its an actual test that can be done. Even though its £30 for the WIFI 6 router personally in that situation I would do it. Makes sense.

 

[melmac]

Its not really "lower settings" its the default settings so unless you can say what they are in Airlink compared to what it is in Virtual desktop then that removes doubt.

Comparing Airlink (which isnt working well) with Virtual Desktop (which is working better) with the same or similiar settings is worth it. Plus you can do it for free before spending any money and its an actual test that can be done. Even though its £30 for the WIFI 6 router personally in that situation I would do it. Makes sense.

I will put it another way, Devrij has a 3080. He planned to turn up the render resolution to as high as he could when using the link cable. Airlink uses the Oculus render settings. So if he is using a high render resolution and his wifi isn't good enough, then he is going to have problems, the same problems he is describing.

Virtual desktop doesn't use the Oculus render resolution, it defaults to a much lower resolution. If he hasn't changed settings in there then it's still at default. But, Virtual desktop doesn't just have lower default resolution, it also has a lower FPS setting, lower textures etc. This is much easier for a wireless connection to handle. But even with these lower settings he is still getting hiccups.

So, I am not sure what we will learn from him turning up the Virtual desktop settings to the same as Airlink. if it hiccups on a lower res, chances are it's going to be worse on a higher resolution.

I will add a caveat!! (of course ) I am presuming that @Devrij has tried the things mentioned in my first reply to him, especially the bit about changing anything in the Oculus debug tool, to make sure the encode bitrate is set to 0 for Airlink.

TLDR: I don't think Devrij's router is up to the task of playing games wirelessly at the settings the 3080 is capable of.

 

[Devrij]

I will put it another way, Devrij has a 3080. He planned to turn up the render resolution to as high as he could when using the link cable. Airlink uses the Oculus render settings. So if he is using a high render resolution and his wifi isn't good enough, then he is going to have problems, the same problems he is describing.

Virtual desktop doesn't use the Oculus render resolution, it defaults to a much lower resolution. If he hasn't changed settings in there then it's still at default. But, Virtual desktop doesn't just have lower default resolution, it also has a lower FPS setting, lower textures etc. This is much easier for a wireless connection to handle. But even with these lower settings he is still getting hiccups.

So, I am not sure what we will learn from him turning up the Virtual desktop settings to the same as Airlink. if it hiccups on a lower res, chances are it's going to be worse on a higher resolution.

I will add a caveat!! (of course ) I am presuming that @Devrij has tried the things mentioned in my first reply to him, especially the bit about changing anything in the Oculus debug tool, to make sure the encode bitrate is set to 0 for Airlink.

TLDR: I don't think Devrij's router is up to the task of playing games wirelessly at the settings the 3080 is capable of.

This was my line of thinking as well. If it's still not perfect with Virtual Desktop then I figure I need to improve the networking situation before I start trying to make it pretty. Besides, the virgin router is pants anyway so an upgrade wouldn't hurt.