Scottish Elections Result

Jokester · 6 May 2011 at 18:52

platypus said:
Right, so you're making £4Bn a year, which isn't exactly a significant amount. 100% of the money from the North Sea Oil would not go to Scotland nor Scottish companies.

It's part of GDP though :confused:

rz30 · 6 May 2011 at 18:52

Can't stand the SNP, they will bring us back to being lepers.

daver · 6 May 2011 at 18:53

Jokester said:
Yeah, tax income, it's not 100% tax!

I think it was about 81% or something stupid though

Biohazard · 6 May 2011 at 18:53

Windle said:
Most people round here who vote SNP are proper knuckle draggers who can't get beyond their hatred. They fail to see beyond SNPs claims they will have a referendum for independence and instead seize upon it as a means of letting that hate out. It's undeniable that SNP have picked up a lot of votes from neanderthals who wouldn't normally vote but can only see an option of splitting from the Union.

I never had anyone mention independence to me really, the clincher was council tax freeze.

platypus · 6 May 2011 at 18:55

Jokester said:
Yeah, tax income, it's not 100% tax!

In addition to this, where has the myth that Scotland would own the North Sea oil reserves in the event of accedence from the union come from? North sea oil reserves are owned by five countries. In the event of Scotland splitting from the UK, the Continental shelf convention would need to be reworked, and ratified differently, it does not automatically mean that England would lose access to North Sea oil reserves.

arknor · 6 May 2011 at 18:55

lol googled and found an article from 2007.

what is scotland became independant

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...cotland-achieved-its-independence-432319.html

f countries such as Malta, with a population less than Edinburgh's, can be self-governing, supporters of independence believe there is no reason why Scotland shouldn't. Optimistic nationalists claim Scotland could be as prosperous as Ireland, Norway, Denmark or Iceland with enough revenue from oil, gas, renewable energy and other industries to invest in a fund to look after future generations.

bet norway and denmark arent doing much better either ROFL

Biohazard · 6 May 2011 at 18:55

Superewza said:
*jumps ship*

So... if you get independence, can the North East go with you? Then we just need a republic of London and the Tories can pretty much please themselves

lol.

I wouldn't say no there are a few cultural similarities as well, but it couldn't be immediate it would drown the potential.

After a while if the North East is still lacking required attention and investment from Westminster, hell why not.

Biohazard · 6 May 2011 at 18:56

arknor said:
lol googled and found an article from 2007.

what is scotland became independant
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...cotland-achieved-its-independence-432319.html
bet norway and denmark arent doing much better either ROFL

Were you heading the Scottish Labour campaign by any chance?

I've already pointed out the flaws in this google 'argument'.

rz30 · 6 May 2011 at 18:56

platypus said:
In addition to this, where has the myth that Scotland would own the North Sea oil reserves in the event of accedence from the union come from? North sea oil reserves are owned by five countries. In the event of Scotland splitting from the UK, the Continental shelf convention would need to be reworked, and ratified differently, it does not automatically mean that England would lose access to North Sea oil reserves.

I read somewhere that the "brent field" would go to Norway, don't know why that would be, but they seemed to know what they were talking about.

Jokester · 6 May 2011 at 18:56

platypus said:
In addition to this, where has the myth that Scotland would own the North Sea oil reserves in the event of accedence from the union come from? North sea oil reserves are owned by five countries. In the event of Scotland splitting from the UK, the Continental shelf convention would need to be reworked, and ratified differently, it does not automatically mean that England would lose access to North Sea oil reserves.

There's already defined Scottish waters as part of devolution.

rz30 said:
I read somewhere that the "brent field" would go to Norway, don't know why that would be, but they seemed to know what they were talking about.

Errr no.

arknor said:
lol googled and found an article from 2007.

what is scotland became independant
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...cotland-achieved-its-independence-432319.html
bet norway and denmark arent doing much better either ROFL

Given that Norway is the only other country out of that lot with a large oil industry we would be more like them than the rest.

They have something like £300B stashed away for a rainy day now.

Dave85 · 6 May 2011 at 18:57

SNP is the right choice for Scotland just now so im glad they got a majority now lets see how they run the country over the next few years. Also hope we do get our vote on independence at the very least it will get the thing out the way so we can move on with either a yes or no to it.

Biohazard · 6 May 2011 at 18:57

platypus said:
In addition to this, where has the myth that Scotland would own the North Sea oil reserves in the event of accedence from the union come from?

Scotland has a claim for Scottish North Sea Oil, not ALL north sea oil.

(are you actually being serious here? If it is a myth, you've just made it up)

platypus said:
North sea oil reserves are owned by five countries.

Irrelevent.

platypus said:
In the event of Scotland splitting from the UK, the Continental shelf convention would need to be reworked, and ratified differently, it does not automatically mean that England would lose access to North Sea oil reserves.

Absolute make believe.

Try harder.

Metalface Mark · 6 May 2011 at 18:57

Biohazard said:
How would you know?

How's old git then?

Yeah, thats better. You seemed to miss the part where I said that i voted for SNP, im happy that they have a majority and Im willing to give them a chance, im even happy for a vote on independence but also pretty confident it would get turned down once and for all.

arknor · 6 May 2011 at 18:58

Biohazard said:
Were you heading the Scottish Labour campaign by any chance?

I've already pointed out the flaws in this google 'argument'.

as far as im concerned you can have your freedom, dont expect us to help when it goes **** up or someone declares war on you

Biohazard · 6 May 2011 at 18:58

Jokester, vote SNP chief?

Biohazard · 6 May 2011 at 18:59

Metalface Mark said:
Yeah, thats better. You seemed to miss the part where I said that i voted for SNP, im happy that they have a majority and Im willing to give them a chance, im even happy for a vote on independence but also pretty confident it would get turned down once and for all.

At present, yes I totally agree.

The coming decade is our chance to show the Scottish people that there is the chance of another viable direction.

platypus · 6 May 2011 at 19:00

Biohazard said:
Absolute make believe.

Try harder.

Rather than your usual trick of making a statement that you want people belive to be fact, please explain what is make belive about it.

Biohazard · 6 May 2011 at 19:01

arknor said:
as far as im concerned you can have your freedom, dont expect us to help when it goes **** up

We would operate like any other small country in that regards.

arknor said:
or someone declares war on you

Very very unlikely, and no European country will be attacking another neither will neighbours stand idly by and watch agression.

Scotland will have armed forces appropriate for self defence, nothing more.

We wouldn't invite a declaration of war, no one would be interested.

platypus · 6 May 2011 at 19:01

Jokester: In the event of Scottish Independence, would you prefer to join the Euro?

weescott · 6 May 2011 at 19:01

platypus said:
So you don't want independence because being a member of the UK is clearly beneficial to Scotland, and yet you want the ability to make your own decisions, lets use free tuition fees as a rather basic example. Thats possibly nothing to do with the fact that the money received from the UK helps you achieve these desireable factors?

Personally I do. But that isn't the sole reason people voted for SNP. It's about making changes we want rather than what is dictated by London.