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Pigeon_Killer said:
His biggest threat could be Hiddink becoming DoF. If Chelsea hire him as well they'll have a ready made replacement to jump in the hot seat as soon as things look to be turning sour.

Personally think VB has made a big mistake so early in his career. Porto could've done some serious damage in the CL next season.
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Porto are a selling team because they aren't a big league, they'd unlikely be great in the CL at all as a few big names got a lot of exposure and so even if he stayed Falcao and a few others are likely to leave.

he's doing a Mourinho, leave while the going is good and while the club you are going to is a top club and willing to spend money with your arrival.
 
Tombstone said:
Oh dont get me wrong, its a terrific job if you want to get lots of money. Its just that money in my chalice means very little to me, so in my eyes its a poison chalice where virtually no matter what you do you seem to inevitably be given the sack. If money was my aim though, yeah it would be high on my list, but money is at the bottom of my list :)
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I was merely getting at it having literally no downside, the upside is its a top 2 club, willing to spend, with a lot of very good players, in a decent city, in a great league.

There aren't many better jobs around and they are all taken, what other huge name champs league team is available, Porto are NOT a big team and will sell half their players as they do any big season where their players get attention, the downside of a big side in a small league, players see Portugal, Holland, Germany even as stepping stones to the big three leagues.

So who is better than Chelsea in the EPL, Utd, no job there, City/Arsenal, no job there, Real/Barca, nope, Milan and maybe Inter, milan, no, Inter, a little unsure if they have a manager or not, the press are talking up loads of managers for Inter but Leonardo has a contract and did very well since he took over?

Chelsea's pretty much the best available managerial job, while the downside is they won't accept failure, the upside is, being the first manager to win a champs league with them would cement him as amongst the best managers around in most peoples eyes.

Its a good job, the potential for being fired if you aren't superb, is only really a downside if you intend on not doing well :p

Money, status, league, champs league, players, money, what makes it a poison chalice? If he sucked balls at Porto next year he could be fired, thats life.
 
in regards to chelsea, yes you need to spend big money to get in decent players, but you dont need to offer them £150K+ a week.

they should tighten wages, and use the money towards signings. The wage bill is too high and the signings too small/few to compete with barcelona.

For example, frank lampard and john terry are both on £150k+ a week, that is absurd when you compare with arshavin on like £80K a week.

they need to tighten wages and bring in better players. yes offer torres £120K a week thats fine, but lampard on £150k?

their players are overpaid by about 25% easily compared to arsenal's wage structure.

how much is fabregas on at arsenal? are john terry and lampard worth £150K a week each when cesc is on £110K a week?
 
drunkenmaster said:
I was merely getting at it having literally no downside, the upside is its a top 2 club, willing to spend, with a lot of very good players, in a decent city, in a great league.

There aren't many better jobs around and they are all taken, what other huge name champs league team is available, Porto are NOT a big team and will sell half their players as they do any big season where their players get attention, the downside of a big side in a small league, players see Portugal, Holland, Germany even as stepping stones to the big three leagues.

So who is better than Chelsea in the EPL, Utd, no job there, City/Arsenal, no job there, Real/Barca, nope, Milan and maybe Inter, milan, no, Inter, a little unsure if they have a manager or not, the press are talking up loads of managers for Inter but Leonardo has a contract and did very well since he took over?

Chelsea's pretty much the best available managerial job, while the downside is they won't accept failure, the upside is, being the first manager to win a champs league with them would cement him as amongst the best managers around in most peoples eyes.

Its a good job, the potential for being fired if you aren't superb, is only really a downside if you intend on not doing well :p

Money, status, league, champs league, players, money, what makes it a poison chalice? If he sucked balls at Porto next year he could be fired, thats life.
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What makes it a poison chalice?

For me , the following... Fail to win the champions league and its quite likely to be the sack. Come 2nd in the league, or even win the league and the credit you get is impacted by opinions that its not surprising given the team/money you have (pointedly someone here has already said that Chelsea is a team that virtually anyone can manage and do well). Sure the money is good, but big deal, not everyone places massive value on money. I mean even do well and Abramovich is still likely to chuck you, not really what I consider a secure position. Sucking balls at Porto and getting sacked is one thing, but at Chelsea you can get sacked without even sucking balls. But you know what they say, one mans poison chalice is another mans nectar.
 
Tombstone said:
What makes it a poison chalice?

For me , the following... Fail to win the champions league and its quite likely to be the sack. Come 2nd in the league, or even win the league and the credit you get is impacted by opinions that its not surprising given the team/money you have (pointedly someone here has already said that Chelsea is a team that virtually anyone can manage and do well). Sure the money is good, but big deal, not everyone places massive value on money. I mean even do well and Abramovich is still likely to chuck you, not really what I consider a secure position. Sucking balls at Porto and getting sacked is one thing, but at Chelsea you can get sacked without even sucking balls. But you know what they say, one mans poison chalice is another mans nectar.
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But if he's great, he could be considered the man who did what Mourinho, Ancelloti, Scolari, and Grant( :p ) couldn't do.

You might lose your job, get another one, the fact is Chelsea is easily the best managerial job open right now, with a huge challenge, the most work to do. Personally if I was a manager I'd see it as both the most challenging "top" job available, a fantastic opportunity, and the worst thing that can happen is I get fired with a humoungous payoff.

Sure, the owner might not be the best owner ever, personally I don't think he's bad at all, he has a goal and is commited to getting there, its still a really damn good job, at a good club, with great ambition. Its not like its a choice between Chelsea and Barca, or Real, or Utd, its Chelsea or...... Villa, though poetic, I think the Chelsea job is a tad more appealing.

People keep completely incorrectly suggesting that Roman is firing people unfairly. He didn't hire Ancelloti to win the league, he hired him to win the CHamps league, nothing more or less, he failed, he went. Sorry but every manager that goes there knows thats the goal. The targets are simply different at Chelsea, where do you think Guardiola would be now if Barca hadn't won anything in his first season?

Its a business, he hires people who say "I can achieve X, Y and Z", he achieved X but not Y or Z, he goes, thats how business works.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
But be great, and be considered the man who did what Mourinho, Ancelloti, Scolari, and Grant( :p ) couldn't do.

You might lose your job, get another one, the fact is Chelsea is easily the best managerial job open right now, with a huge challenge, the most work to do. Personally if I was a manager I'd see it as both the most challenging "top" job available, a fantastic opportunity, and the worst thing that can happen is I get fired with a humoungous payoff.

Sure, the owner might not be the best owner ever, personally I don't think he's bad at all, he has a goal and is commited to getting there, its still a really damn good job, at a good club, with great ambition. Its not like its a choice between Chelsea and Barca, or Real, or Utd, its Chelsea or...... Villa, though poetic, I think the Chelsea job is a tad more appealing.

People keep completely incorrectly suggesting that Roman is firing people unfairly. He didn't hire Ancelloti to win the league, he hired him to win the CHamps league, nothing more or less, he failed, he went. Sorry but every manager that goes there knows thats the goal. The targets are simply different at Chelsea, where do you think Guardiola would be now if Barca hadn't won anything in his first season?

Its a business, he hires people who say "I can achieve X, Y and Z", he achieved X but not Y or Z, he goes, thats how business works.
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Thats where we differ, I wouldnt manage a team where I had to win just one specific thing and if I didnt, no matter what else I did, I get sacked for not winning that one specific thing. Just different people have different thoughts, as I say, for some its a drink of refreshing nectar, for me its a poison chalice. :)

Admittedly Roman has clearly got his eyes on one particular thing, and with his efforts to get that one particular thing he has seen fit to sack most of the best rated managers in world football within the space of several years. No matter what else happens, I'm the sort of person who doesnt want a sacking on my cv :)
 
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Young's had his medical at United today, the deal will be made official either tonight or tomorrow (apparently)
 
I'd have said £7m, but I won't turn my nose up at £5m given how little game time he has had lately.



Jano said:
Cahill to Spurs rumours seem to be gathering pace, with either Bassong or Kaboul going in the opposite direction.
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Hope it's not Kaboul. He shows a hell of a lot of potential. Not fussed on Cahill anyway.
 
Apparently the Valencia friendly against Liverpool at Anfield is part of the clubs pre-season preparations and was requested by Valencia as part of the Juan Mata deal. Don't quite understand why it would be played at Anfield though?
 
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Anfield would generate more cash, we would possibly agree to give Valencia all proceeds.
Having it at their place would generate less outright, and then they have to pay staff costs for the day too..
 
andy@moFo said:
Apparently the Valencia friendly against Liverpool at Anfield is part of the clubs pre-season preparations and was requested by Valencia as part of the Juan Mata deal. Don't quite understand why it would be played at Anfield though?
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Source for this? We all thought it might be but who has said it is or claimed it is, If so who reckons he would do half for them and half for us?
 
BaZ87 said:
They're capable of beating them but that wasn't what I was questioning. I was questioning the fact that you think Chelsea haven't spent enough on signings. Their squad has cost the best part of £300m.
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still not good enough to win the champions league. i dont think even with their current squad either they could topple the likes of real madrid never mind barcelona.

man city has spent over £300m i would guess, yet look at them.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
still not good enough to win the champions league. i dont think even with their current squad either they could topple the likes of real madrid never mind barcelona.

man city has spent over £300m i would guess, yet look at them.
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But that's over like 2 or 3 seasons. Chelsea's core has been established for a number of years.
 
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