** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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bloodline76 said:
It's hardly a loop hole if they aren't allowed to sign players that young. They could 'convince' a player to stay if they wanted. Arsenal just offered him the better deal.
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It's a loop hole in the sense that these young players that they've got at the club they cant actually sign/own, so they train them from god knows what age but have to wait till they turn (I presume) 18 before they can legally call them their player - extremely harsh IMO

Imagine if roles were reversed and you weren't able to sign Wilshire to a professional contract but Barca were and he went there, surely you can see the handicap there?

It's nothing to do with not wanting him, not appreciating how good he could be, or even as you said wanting to sell him.
 
Once Da Gea is official, that takes us to 50 million. Kinda scary thinking that 3 players that haven't really proved themself have cost 50m. Its a gamble thats for sure.

Maybe one more is on the way?
 
Tom84 said:
Agreed. I reckon he's Real bound, he wont want to join City if he knows they're interested as well kinda like Sanchez not interested in City as he knows Barca are interested :D
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I'm still hoping Chelsea will nab Neymar; he'll ruin his career going to Real. Would be even better if we could steal Sanchez from Barca and City as well.

-------- Torres -------
Neymar -------- Sanchez

*drool*
 
Tom84 said:
Imagine if roles were reversed and you weren't able to sign Wilshire to a professional contract but Barca were and he went there, surely you can see the handicap there?

It's nothing to do with not wanting him, not appreciating how good he could be, or even as you said wanting to sell him.
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When you put it like that I can see how annoying it would be, but I wouldn't be demanding he moves for £10-15,000,000 less than what he's worth just because he trained with us. Maybe I'd feel slightly sorry for Barcelona if they conducted themselves a bit differently. Maybe keeping their players mouths shut would be a good start, and then trying to conduct business in a professional manner instead of giving it to the Spanish rags and letting them run wild.
 
Fortunately we haven't had to deal with Barca for players we want to keep but I do know what ****'s Real Madrid are so I do sympathise from that perspective

TBH I didn't know that was their reasoning behind only bidding peasantry sums thus far like £27m I thought they were just being ****'s :p
 
Tom84 said:
Fortunately we haven't had to deal with Barca for players we want to keep but I do know what ****'s Real Madrid are so I do sympathise from that perspective
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In fairness with Real at least with Ronaldo they paid up. He had also previously said that he wouldn't leave unless United were paid well.

The Spanish problem is something we are always going to have to put up with though, certainly with non British players. They all want to try their hand in Spain and see it with its weather and culture being something to aspire to, regardless of their success in England.
 
Tom84 said:
It's a loop hole in the sense that these young players that they've got at the club they cant actually sign/own, so they train them from god knows what age but have to wait till they turn (I presume) 18 before they can legally call them their player - extremely harsh IMO

Imagine if roles were reversed and you weren't able to sign Wilshire to a professional contract but Barca were and he went there, surely you can see the handicap there?

It's nothing to do with not wanting him, not appreciating how good he could be, or even as you said wanting to sell him.
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Yeah I do see your point. It would be really annoying but I certainly wouldn't think we had a right to have that player at a reduced rate, especially if he had a long contract and they didn't want to sell.

It's not the fact that we got him off them that they are offering these prices. The reason they are offering it is because they know he only wants to play for Arsenal or Barca.

So in effect they are exploiting a loop hole more so than Arsenal did.
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
When you put it like that I can see how annoying it would be, but I wouldn't be demanding he moves for £10-15,000,000 less than what he's worth just because he trained with us. Maybe I'd feel slightly sorry for Barcelona if they conducted themselves a bit differently. Maybe keeping their players mouths shut would be a good start, and then trying to conduct business in a professional manner instead of giving it to the Spanish rags and letting them run wild.
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You keep saying this, then I see Sagna saying it would be great for Gervinho to come to Arsenal, and other Arsenal players saying the same things about other players but you have no complaints about that.

The difference is, Gervinho didn't train at Arsenal, his family isn't in London and half the players at the club didn't grow up with him.

Barca players, and Arsenal players can say WHATEVER they want, its not a disgrace to say what they've said, if they said Arsenal suck and Fabregas should crap on our stadium then leave, thats one thing, saying they'd love him back at Barca is simply in no way possible seeable as "disgraceful".

I'd be pee'd if Wilshire got nicked, and Barca are pee'd Fabregas got nicked, thats really not here nor there. They haven't got completely sick funds this year, and Arsenal knew we could get 45-50mil for him last year if we just put a price on him, but we held out, and we held out too long, Barca called our bluff and we can't get the same price for him anymore.

I said last year, we'll never get more, he might have a bad season or get injured, they'll pay a high fee we just have to put a price on him.

Thats why Modric should be sold, Spurs have no idea how much money other clubs will have next season, Modric could break his leg next season, or just be crap. 35mil would be a brilliant fee for him and they should take it while its on offer.
 
drunkenmaster said:
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Thats why Modric should be sold, Spurs have no idea how much money other clubs will have next season, Modric could break his leg next season, or just be crap. 35mil would be a brilliant fee for him and they should take it while its on offer.
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This is just beyond ridiculous!

Arsenal should sell Wilshere, y'know, just incase he breaks his leg next season.
 
skippi90 said:
This is just beyond ridiculous!

Arsenal should sell Wilshere, y'know, just incase he breaks his leg next season.
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He means holding out for that extra 10-20% or more on the fee (or the 'Levi multiplier' as it's come to be known ;)) isn't a 'nothing to lose' situation, as has been put forward by some Spurs/Arsenal fans here, and has the potential to come back and bite selling clubs in the **** as it has with Arsenal in regards to leaving too late to sell Henry and others for instance - not quite sure on the specific applicability to Fabregas here though.
 
guyfawkes5 said:
He means holding out for that extra 10-20% or more on the fee (or the 'Levi multiplier' as it's come to be known ;)) isn't a 'nothing to lose' situation, as has been put forward by some Spurs/Arsenal fans here, and has the potential to come back and bite selling clubs in the **** as it has with Arsenal in regards to leaving too late to sell Henry and others for instance - not quite sure on the specific applicability to Fabregas here though.
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They offered something like £26-28m. No where near his worth. We didn't make the wrong decision not to sell. I remember DM saying at the time we should have taken that offer as we wouldn't get any more in the future.

I would dig it up but I am on my phone.

Might have that as my new sig when he goes for more.
 
I hope Anzhi Makhachkala get Neymar. Just because I've never heard of them and they sound wonderful.
 
Tom84 said:
TBF to Barca can you imagine how gutting it must be to have to buy back what was once your player at god knows how much over what got for him in the first place (that is under the assumption that Arsenal did even have to pay some kind of compensation fee)

It's not like they even wanted to sell him in the first place!

Obviously not expecting any sympathy for them on here though :D
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On the other hand - how much wages have they saved in that number of years - £10m possibly more (not to mention success bonuses etc), without even considering the fact of being able to keep all of their midfielders happy givne the wuality of all of them

I wouldnt feel so bad for Barca if I were you :)
 
FrankJH said:
On the other hand - how much wages have they saved in that number of years - £10m possibly more (not to mention success bonuses etc), without even considering the fact of being able to keep all of their midfielders happy givne the wuality of all of them

I wouldnt feel so bad for Barca if I were you :)
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Bit of a weak argument that, all it means is that if they'd of been paying Csec's wages they wouldn't of been paying someone else's, it's all ifs and buts but would they ever have signed Yaya, Keita and the likes if they had Fabregas in their midfield all along? Would Fabregas be as good as he is today had he stayed at Barca? Who knows.
 
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