** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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Tom84 said:
Bit of a weak argument that, all it means is that if they'd of been paying Csec's wages they wouldn't of been paying someone else's, it's all ifs and buts but would they ever have signed Yaya, Keita and the likes if they had Fabregas in their midfield all along? Would Fabregas be as good as he is today had he stayed at Barca? Who knows.
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Barca are acting like we have loaned him from them and won't give him back. Truth and hard facts are. They never ow ed him.
 
Tom84 said:
Bit of a weak argument that, all it means is that if they'd of been paying Csec's wages they wouldn't of been paying someone else's, it's all ifs and buts but would they ever have signed Yaya, Keita and the likes if they had Fabregas in their midfield all along? Would Fabregas be as good as he is today had he stayed at Barca? Who knows.
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Come on - surely they would have had Iniesta and Xavi anyway dont you think?

No dispespect meant to Cesc at all, but Barca arent going to stint that much surely?

Tom84 said:
That's hardly true though is it?

They cant sign professional contracts over there as early as they can over here, Arsenal benefited by that the same as way we did with Pique. Nothing to do with Fabregas turning out to be better than they thought.
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I thought the difference between Euro clubs signing and English clubs had only recently changed in the last couple of years - or is it just one little part thats changed?

Really dont like the dishonourable way clubs over here do this now - leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I hear about the next player being pinched from Europe
 
bloodline76 said:
They offered something like £26-28m. No where near his worth. We didn't make the wrong decision not to sell. I remember DM saying at the time we should have taken that offer as we wouldn't get any more in the future.

I would dig it up but I am on my phone.

Might have that as my new sig when he goes for more.
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'Worth' is a subjective term.

And given the amount of hypotheticals present it is almost impossible to be truly 'right' unless we know definitively what Barcelona offered or were prepared to pay previously, and how Arsenal would have coped without Fabregas but with the increased fee (assuming they would've got a substantial bump compared to selling now).
 
daz said:
He's probably the best England goal scoring prospect around today... he could easily be the next Alan Shearer.
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13 million is a lot for someone who has 65 appearances and only 13 goals at a lower level.
 
Hxc said:
I hope Anzhi Makhachkala get Neymar. Just because I've never heard of them and they sound wonderful.
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There's a possibility they might since they've signed compatriots like Roberto Carlos amongst others and are essentially the Man City of the Steppe so can afford to drown him in affluence should he deign to be a big fish in a small pond.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
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I haven't even read the Sagna comments so I'll take your word for it, but that is one player saying one thing about one other player. How many comments have Barcelona players come out with in regards to Fabregas? Every time he goes back to his country to see family or whatever he gets absolutely swamped by the media, twisting his words, putting a Barcelona slant on absolutely everything he says, then there was the whole World Cup let's put Cesc in a Barcelona shirt thing. It IS disgraceful and if you can't see that then you must be blind.

_Jimlad_ said:
Cesc sucked last season 27 mil is a fair price. You will get around 31 I reckon
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He was either sidelined, or playing with niggles for the majority of the season, he was rushed back to play in games when he should have been on the bench and introduced gradually as well. ESPN say he made 25 appearances with 3 goals and 11 assists so 14 direct contributions to goals last season. Compare that to Modric who played in 44 games in total last season and only managed 4 goals and 5 assists. Yeah Fabregas was rubbish.
 
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Peg said:
13 million is a lot for someone who has 65 appearances and only 13 goals at a lower level.
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it wont 13m up front though, its bound to be structured deal with a lump sum then the rest made up of appearances/goals and more than likely full caps.

it may well rise to 13m but if it does he will be doing something right!

that and apparently they still owe us money from previous transfers which I assume will be written off and we pay less up front
 
_Jimlad_ said:
Cesc sucked last season 27 mil is a fair price. You will get around 31 I reckon
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It's really not tbf, you're talking about one of the best midfielders in the world. Probably the best outside of Real Madrid and Barcelona, that kind of player is worth only £7m more than Jordan frigging Henderson and £7m less than Andy I cant believe anyone would spend so much on him Carroll?

Having said that ignoring those stupid inflated fee's and what Real Madrid paid for Kaka Fabregas is easily worth £35m, that fee rising to £40m+ seems fair to me
 
Just out of curiosity will Hernandez be our first UTD player of a decade (since barthez?) to win an International medal for football? Im struggling to think of many/any others we had who at the time had a world cup, or euro cup or something? Maybe Kleberson?
 
The Running Man said:
Just out of curiosity will Hernandez be our first UTD player of a decade (since barthez?) to win an International medal for football? Im struggling to think of many/any others we had who at the time had a world cup, or euro cup or something? Maybe Kleberson?
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Was Rossi in the Italy squad which won the World Cup? And was he a Utd player at the time? :p
 
No he was only 19 or so at the time and hadn't made a senior appearance for the Italian team I don't think - it was still up in the air whether he would go for USA or Italy at the time and chose Italy not long after I don't think (had always been in their U21s etc)
 
drunkenmaster said:
Thats why Modric should be sold, Spurs have no idea how much money other clubs will have next season, Modric could break his leg next season, or just be crap. 35mil would be a brilliant fee for him and they should take it while its on offer.
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If you made that argument about Bale then you might have a point. For most players, it's a laughable case to make though.
 
Tunney said:
If you made that argument about Bale then you might have a point. For most players, it's a laughable case to make though.
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Its really not, most players will move on eventually and most players get replaced, this year, or 4 years from now, change happens, who cares.

The difference is 35mil is massively overpriced, a great deal.

I wouldn't sell Wilshire, because we wouldn't get 50mil for him.

Pay attention to whats going on Modric has already said he wants to leave, that means chances of signing a new contract are slim, meaning 3 or 4 years from now, every year he'll be worth less then leave on a free. At this stage 35mil is great, if he breaks his leg and missed 18 months, he'll be worth maybe, luckily 10mil in his final year of his contract based off no one knowing if he was back to his best.

Wilshire, if he breaks his leg next season, still intends to stay at Arsenal, has not said he wants to leave, wouldn't fetch an offer of 35mil and will sign new contracts in the future which will keep his value essentially up to date.

Completely different situations so try to keep up with whats going on with Modric, wants to leave, will decrease in value every single year, 35mil is an awesome price for a guy who wants to leave. Its good business, nothing more or less.
 
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