** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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Tom84 said:
I'm obviously not an Arsenal supporter but with Szczesny in goal now I wouldn't be worried in that area of the pitch and up front was the one area where Wenger needed to stop spending money on. Is Van Persie not a proven goal scorer? I know he's not the most reliable injury wise but given the system Arsenal play there's no point having another striker of RVP's calibre sitting on the bench every week (nor would you get one to)
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The problem with Van persie is that I believe to get the most out of him, you need to play up front with a target man.

He is more Bergkamp than van Nistelrooy, but Arsenal play him on his own as a target man, and against brutish defenders, he can struggle, especially if he is the only one carrying the team.
 
opethdisciple said:
The problem with Van persie is that I believe to get the most out of him, you need to play up front with a target man.

He is more Bergkamp than van Nistelrooy, but Arsenal play him on his own as a target man, and against brutish defenders, he cant cope.
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18 goals in 19 games as a lone striker tell me a different story.
 
opethdisciple said:
The problem with Van persie is that I believe to get the most out of him, you need to play up front with a target man.

He is more Bergkamp than van Nistelrooy, but Arsenal play him on his own as a target man, and against brutish defenders, he cant cope.
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cant cope??

again 18 goals in 19 games, better than any other prem striker has managed in history of prem league before :rolleyes:

if rvp had been fit the beginning of last season he would have been prem top scorer EASY
 
Naan_H said:
Im fuming about meireles tbh - you would not see fergie sell to any of his rivals - it should not be done. Why are we going for a british dominated midfield? It seems silly.

We need technically gifted players in our midfield, and a bit of continental flair to mix it up - meireles and aquaman would have provided that. You could see the impact raul had against arsenal. hell he even scored against chelsea last season!!

Goal scoring midfielders can make the difference in the league - especially if you want to challenge for anything they are essential!!!

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A few points to be made here and on Meireles in general:

Firstly he's not a goalscoring midfielder. He's had one 5-6 week period where he scored a few goals in his entire career. He's never contributed with many goals at any other point, before or after.

Meireles is a decent player but he's not as good as some are making out; he's a tidy player that makes good runs and is efficient with the ball. However when the team aren't playing well, the game passes him by and for every decent performance he put in last season there was an anonymous performance from him.

In Dalglish's first match back against Utd he played CM and bottled a challenge, he then done the same in Dalglish's 2nd game back vs Blackpool which led to a goal. Dalglish hasn't played him in central midfield since. It's not a coincidense, Dalglish simply doesn't trust him there.

That leaves you with him either playing on the right or off the front. I agree that we need some of the attributes that Meireles has to offer us variety in our attack but in Maxi (almost identical to Meireles imo), Suarez and even Henderson, I think we've already got that.

He's not an important player in the squad any more and that coupled with his age/resale value, has meant the club were willing to cash in on him.

Ideally we'd have not sold him to Chelsea and/or brought in another player to replace him but losing him isn't the end of the world.

We've got the following players to fill our front 4 positions: Carroll, Suarez, Kuyt, Bellamy, Downing, Maxi, Henderson and even Gerrard. In terms of variety, I don't think we couldn't ask for much more, can we?

edit: oh and then of course we have the situation with his contract and him wanting more money etc. It's very possible that Cecil is to blame for that though.
 
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[Cas];19965493 said:
18 goals in 19 games as a lone striker tell me a different story.
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Ok those stats are good, but look at what happened against Birmingham in the CL Cup. Their defenders broke him.

He literaly injured himself scoring Arsenals goal, banging his leg on the defenders...
 
opethdisciple said:
Ok those stats are good, but look at what happened against Birmingham in the CL Cup. Their defenders broke him.

He literaly injured himself scoring Arsenals goal, banging his leg on the defenders...
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So that kind of thing wouldn't happen with another striker next to him? He still wouldn't get injured? Really?

His stats have shown that he can cope absolutely fine up top on his own, as long as he get's lots of help from the wide players + centre/attack minded midfielders. I'd prefer to play with 2 strikers, but it doesn't mean he can't cope, it's the rest of the team that doesn't seem to sit quite right with 4-5-1.
 
So Crouch has gone for a record fee.. (for Stoke)

Didn't they sign Jones for 12m? Anything more than that for Crouch is a bit mad if you ask me, is he 30 now?
 
I guess at 28 we would get the maximum amount of money we could now rather than later in his contract.

Correct me if im wrong but does that mean all of Roy Hodgsons' signings have now left LFC? :p
 
opethdisciple said:
Did I say I based that on one game....

I just feel he would benefit from a target man, he would find more space that way and get to stretch his legs.
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Even though in the game you mentioned he still scored? As a lone front man :confused:

RVP to my knowledge has never played with a partner up front for Arsenal week in week out nor has he for Holland. If anything I'd be inclined to think that he's one of the modern day strikers that would actually struggle with a partner - see Torres & Bent
 
Naan_H said:
I guess at 28 we would get the maximum amount of money we could now rather than later in his contract.

Correct me if im wrong but does that mean all of Roy Hodgsons' signings have now left LFC? :p
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Had he had a bigger role to play then his age wouldn't have been such an issue.

And just Brad Jones, and if you include him, Wilson (more a Benitez signing).
 
BaZ87 said:
Had he had a bigger role to play then his age wouldn't have been such an issue.

And just Brad Jones, and if you include him, Wilson (more a Benitez signing).
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Im sure Wilson like Jovanovic was a Benitez signing - so basically RH's signings wont play for us again - quite amazing seeing as they were bought a year ago
 
Naan_H said:
Im sure Wilson like Jovanovic was a Benitez signing - so basically RH's signings wont play for us again - quite amazing seeing as they were bought a year ago
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Yea, Jova and Wilson were both agreed before Benitez left.

And it's not that amazing when you consider how bad those signings were :p
 
Wow Stoke have really got themselves a cracking team. Imperious forwards, decent set of wingers, amazing looking defence (Upson, Woodgate, Huth, Shawcross, Dann, backed up by Higginbottom, Collins, Wilkinson)...
 
The_One said:
cant cope??

again 18 goals in 19 games, better than any other prem striker has managed in history of prem league before :rolleyes:

if rvp had been fit the beginning of last season he would have been prem top scorer EASY
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The problem is, all those goals didn't lead to a lot of wins, the first 12 of those goals after xmas were, Brum, 2 at West Ham, 3 against wigan, 2 vs Newcastle, 2 Wolves, West Brom and Blackpool.

He then scored against Pool, Spurs, Bolton, Stoke, Villa and Fulham, which resulted in 3 points total from 3 draws, 3 losses and one win against Utd, in which he didn't score.

Van Persie scoring in no way led to wins. With the vast majority in a run right after XMAS against most of the bottom 6 teams.

Yeah, I love RVP, but he doesn't win us games in general, he got us goals, he's undoubted quality, but when he WASN'T scoring at the beginning of the season, played with Chamakh, Arsenal won more points per game and played better overall football. He isn't even close to a lone striker.

He's a great player, he's not a lone striker, he doesn't hold up the ball at all well and creating stuff by holding up the ball on his own and waiting for support, basically doesn't work for us at all.

Wigan and Wolves were the ONLY two games all season, in all competitions, where his goals were the winning goals. Two teams I'm fairly confident that no matter who we played upfront, would have also done the same.

We're wasting him, and the more we play him upfront on his own, the less he'll want to stay to be honest. I really do think he's outstanding, but its really very easy to tell he bullied crap teams, and struggled with better teams, but the team got more points, and more wins, when he wasn't the lone striker. Sorry I should clarify, I don't think HE struggled with better teams, our setup, our crap 4-5-1, our wide players and central players(ridiculously so when Cesc was injured) struggle so badly against the better teams that RVP wasn't the right option to play as lone striker. Chamakh in tougher games did a lot better and bringing our worse quality midfield forwards and into a game, while RVP tends to drop right into central midfield in the really tough games, leaving us no ability to hold the ball in the opposition half for any length of time. This has happened in almost any top half of the table game since last he got fit again.

Also don't forget after his injury he was back on the 7th NOVEMBER, not January, he didn't score in the league from August till Jan, in 8 games, and started scoring when we played Brum and played (due to Everton's position at the time) roughly speaking 6 relegation strugglers in a row.
 
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