** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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When a striker scores lot's of goals when he is played up top, on his own... It kinda makes him a lone striker!

He can't do it all, if the defense then doesn't defend, it's not his fault, he's scored the goals.
 
I take it Chelsea are just hoping the financial fair play rules don't apply to them?

Liverpool's net spend will actually turn out to be around £0 since January once the impact of all the wages we've saved are taken into account. Pretty crazy really.

Once you take into account who was out on loan anyway last season and the amount we're paying towards Cole (and probably a couple others) wages, I doubt our wage bill has come down a great deal.
Wilson is still there - played in some of the pre season games - i assume kenny wants him as part of the squad as he has not left yet, oh and he is a scot after all :p

I think Wilson actually admitted in an interview that the club were looking to loan him out.

He made a few appearances last season but looked useless. To be fair to him though, most were either at LB or left wingback. With Coates's signing and Wisdom starting to break into the first team squad, I can't see Wilson having much chance of making it with us if I'm honest.
 
LOL

That says it all to the non believers that think everythings Wengers fault.

No wonder they cant attract talent if they are paying players less than Everton!!

In that case, it makes Arsene Wenger look even better since Dein left.

Wow.

I don't understand why Arsenal are so tight and who is pulling these strings. They're the most profitable club in England, with a history of shrewd signings and big sales, they've never been cash strapped.
 
OK so now the window has slammed shut, time to assess your team's dealings in the transfer market:

Team: Arsenal

Players In
Mertesacker: Should be a good foil for Vermaelen, experienced, bit of extra height
Arteta: Bit of creativity in midfield, needed after the departure of Fabregas, although his play isn't as dynamic
Benayoun: Pretty much as good as we could hope for in a loan, mazy dribbles could be a throwback to the days of Nasri
Jenkinson: Seems OK for £1m, maybe thrown in a bit at the deep end due to injuries
Santos: Dunno enough to comment, cost nearly as much as we got for Clichy so he better be good
Campbell: Too early to tell
Oxlade-Chamberlain: We got ripped off here, a poor man's Adam Lallana. Spending £12-15m on a player who won't get in the team for another couple of years (if at all) seems like a waste, we could have MASSIVELY improved our squad by bringing in say Parker and Dann for that money.
Gervinho: Didn't feel he was the sort of player we needed, ACoN will mean he misses January for the next two years running. Have been happy with his performances to date but again money could have been better spent elsewhere.

Players Out
Bendtner: Finishing isn't good enough for a team with aspirations of qualifying for Europe, Sunderland could be a good move for him as they needed a striker. Hopefully it was only a loan due to pushing it through on deadline day
Vela: Would have preferred to keep hold of him as backup even though I'm not his biggest fan, we could be a bit thin up front when Chamakh goes to ACoN
Eboue: With Jenkinson's arrival it perhaps made sense to get him off the books, although his versatility and workrate may have come in handy at times
Clichy: Sold far too cheaply to Man City, would should have held out for an 8-digit sum
Fabregas: Irreplaceable, he made such a difference to our play and I don't feel we got full market value for him
Nasri: £24m for a player in the last year of his contract who wants to leave is decent business, can't really argue with his sale
Lansbury: Wouldn't get a game at Arsenal so loan makes sense
Denilson: Not sure what to make of this, there is something not quite right behind the scenes I'm sure of it.
Bartley: Should get him some good experience

Ones that got away
Reo-Coker: Surely would have bitten Wenger's hand off, decent DMC available on a free, not a world beater, but better than what we have already
Parker: Bargain at £5m, who cares about his age, would have given us a solid foundation in midfield and provided some drive and leadership
Jagielka: Can't help but feel we should have stumped up the cash for him, even if it meant sacrificing Oxlade-Chamerlain
Dann: Moved for less than £8m, might have been worth a punt for proven Prem experience

Deadweights
Almunia: Must be on big wages by our standards as he was #1 for a couple of years, currently can't even make the matchday squad and in his 30s so no need to keep him at all.
Squilacci: Rubbish, no pace, not getting any younger, arrival of Mertesacker means he should have been shipped out even at a loss
Fabianski: Not convinced he is good enough for European football, should sell him on and promote Almunia or Mannone to the bench. Flaps far too much.

Overall
If Fabregas hadn't left I would have been fairly content with our dealings, the real question is going to be whether Santos delivers at LB. We addressed the CB issue and at least covered the losses of Fabregas/Nasri to some extent, however the glaring ommission is still a suitable holding midfielder. Maybe Wenger believes Frimpong can take over from Song, but it is a bit of a gamble versus bringing in the likes of Scott Parker who at £5m would have improved our team as much as any of the ~£50m of players we brought in.
 
The problem is, all those goals didn't lead to a lot of wins

Van Persie scoring in no way led to wins. With the vast majority in a run right after XMAS against most of the bottom 6 teams.

Yeah, I love RVP, but he doesn't win us games in general

God your logic is so hard to comprehend some times :/

During his run Van Persie was doing his job, be it scoring the first goal, an equalising goal, or even just a consolation goal it is by no means anything to do with him being a lack of a lone striker the fact that those goals didn't lead to wins THAT was a problem with the rest of your team.

RVP didn't suddenly think to himself you know what we're not winning this game so I'll kick this into row Z..... oh **** we're 2-0 down now I better do something
 
Well rumour has it when he had his mystery absence from the team a couple of years ago it was due to a failed drugs test.

It's also extremely rare you see players being loaned to Brazil from England. I dunno, something just doesn't smell right, I know he wasn't first choice for Arsenal but with Fabregas almost certain to leave it just seemed a bit strange letting him go like that to South America. I'm not suggesting there is anything untoward going on, just that there may be more to it than meets the eye.
 
I think Arsenal have done a great job with their signings actually. It's just a massive shame this wasn't done earlier before we lost the quality in Fabregas and Nasri, but there's no point crying over spilt milk!

I genuinely look forward to watching all the new signings (including Miyaichi) in action this season. Arsenal were 40/1 to win the league yesterday when they were 10/1 prior to the season's start, you'll probably see that come in again now (hopefully).

Overall, I think Wenger et al. have finally got rid of some chaff and brought in some experience. Indeed, it will be interesting to see what the likes of Lansbury will be like upon their return as Szczesny burst onto the scene pretty dramatically from similar trials. I'm still not sure on Jenkinson as I think we've bought a temper-tantrum throwing donkey there, but we'll have to see.

I look forward to seeing Arshavin playing in a more favourable position again as it's a shame seeing him having short unproductive spells as we know what he's capable of. I am also genuinely interested in seeing how Mertesacker and Vermaelen partner up. If Koscielny can find his game with these two, I am actually the most confident I've been regarding Arsenal's defence for quite some time.

I guess the true test will be the second game against Utd later this month.

We won't win the league this year, but I think we'll still be pushing for top four, which is a relief.
 
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Team: Liverpool

Players In
Henderson - Probably the biggest surprise of the summer for us. Not a necessity in the short-term but obviously a player Dalglish had his eye on for the long-term. A tidy footballer that provides us with versatility and excellent delivery from the right.
Downing - Not the most exciting winger around but very much the type of player we needed and early signs are looking good.
Adam - Again, not the most exciting signing but adds something different to the squad and signed for a very decent price.
Enrique - Early signs are that he looks an absolute bargain. Composed on the ball, strong, quick and gets forward well.
Doni - Experienced cover for Reina that allowed us to loan Gulacsi out to gain experience.
Coates - Haven't seen much of him but he's spoken about very highly and we were in need of a yough CB.
Bellamy - A decent short-term signing. He'll provide us with cover across the whole of our front line.

Players Out
Soto - Brought in on the cheap to do a job but ultimately not good enough and had to go.
Konchesky - What a ****ing waste of money.
Insua - Looked like he was going to become a decent player but suffered for form and confidence the other year and hasn't recovered. Hope he regains his '08-09 form.
Degen - Useless bosman signing that we couldn't even give away for free.
Poulsen - See Konchesky
Cole - Had high hopes for him but never settled. Tbf to him, he had a lot of bad luck last season but it was difficult to justify giving him another year to prove himself with the money he was on. Hopefully we can shift him permanently next summer.
Aquilani - Would have loved him to stay but was messed around last summer and you can't blame him for wanting to stay in Italy. Dalglish won't keep an unhappy player so he was always off.
Meireles - Decent player but expendable. Would have rather not sold him to Chelsea and/or been able to sign a direct replacement for him though. Given the amount we've spent and the lack of incoming transfer fees, he may have had to been sold to balance the books too.
Ngog - A bit like Soto. Done a decent job but not quite good enough. Given a run of games (which we couldn't give him), I'm sure he'll do ok for Bolton.
Pacheco, Ayala, Mavinga etc - A mixture of kids that were not just good enough and had to move on.

Ones that got away
Phil Jones - Probably the only player I really wished we could have signed. Looks like he's going to become an excellent player. Hopefully we've got the same in Coates though.

Deadweights
Brad Jones - Some reports that he's stayed because of the health of his kid but he's not good enough and has no future here.
Aurelio - I'm not sure he deserves to go in here as he's a top class player when fit but he's never fit :(

Overall
Overall I think we've had a very decent if not spectacular summer. We could have probably done with another attacking player to complete the squad but it's difficult to complain too much. I think we've addressed all the key areas of the first team that needed improving and added depth to our squad that we've not had for a very long time.
 
I'm not going to be making one of these ins and outs post because if I do it'll become a DM style rant!!!


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Team: Man Utd

Players In:

Ashley Young - so far so good, not convinced about his delivery but has still been one of our biggest attacking threats in all 3 games played this far. Scored 2 absolute blinders against Arsenal. £16m even with only a year left on his Villa contract is looking like very good business
Phil Jones - very impressive young CB, knew next to nothing about him when he was at Blackburn but so far looks to have everything a top class defender needs. Having seen Evans rise and the fall though I won't go too overboard just yet
David De Gea - shaky start, not sure if the mistakes are down to lack of concentration or what as in Spain he was know to be a very good shot stopper yet that's been his downfall so far. Jury out at the moment but all the pundits seem convinced he'll come good

Players Out:

VDS & Scholes - :(
Hargreaves - now he's joined City I don't know know whether I'm :o or :mad: hopefully come the end of the season I'll be :D :p
Brown & O'Shea - shame to see the latter go but with the Da Silvas, Smalling, Jones and Evans it's time to look to the future.
Bebe & Obertan - ecstatic that I won't see them on a United team sheet again

Ones that got away:

Samir Nasri - has proven to be a bit of a money grabbing **** so can't say I'm all that fussed he never came
Wesley Sneijder - his tweet today was a sign of some class, looks like he wanted the transfer to happen who knows if it was his wage or Inters asking price that stopped it going through. He missed his shot though as we won't be in for him again next summer when he's 28

Deadweight:

PIG - wasn't involved in the pre season whatsoever and given that current number 2 Lindegaard had such a good pre season and should arguably be number 1 the Pole In Goal is well and truly surplus
Darron Gibson - another that wasn't involved in the pre season and then went and broke his foot after a move to the only team who was willing to sign him broke down. Could still play a part due to the lack of depth in midfield though

Overall:

Very pleased, it actually feels like we've made more than just 3 signings what with integrating Cleverley and Welbeck into the side as well, not to mention bigger responsibility for Anderson and Smalling also. Because of the way Cleverley and Anderson have started the season it negated the need to spend any more money after getting our business done early and 3 games into the season we've barely even seen some of the players that were pivotal in our title success last season (Berbatov, Valencia, Carrick, Giggs, Park etc etc). All in all the squad is in great shape
 
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Team: Liverpool

Players In
Henderson - Probably the biggest surprise of the summer for us. Not a necessity in the short-term but obviously a player Dalglish had his eye on for the long-term. A tidy footballer that provides us with versatility and excellent delivery from the right.
Downing - Not the most exciting winger around but very much the type of player we needed and early signs are looking good.
Adam - Again, not the most exciting signing but adds something different to the squad and signed for a very decent price.
Enrique - Early signs are that he looks an absolute bargain. Composed on the ball, strong, quick and gets forward well.
Doni - Experienced cover for Reina that allowed us to loan Gulacsi out to gain experience.
Coates - Haven't seen much of him but he's spoken about very highly and we were in need of a yough CB.
Bellamy - A decent short-term signing. He'll provide us with cover across the whole of our front line.

Players Out
Soto - Brought in on the cheap to do a job but ultimately not good enough and had to go.
Konchesky - What a ****ing waste of money.
Insua - Looked like he was going to become a decent player but suffered for form and confidence the other year and hasn't recovered. Hope he regains his '08-09 form.
Degen - Useless bosman signing that we couldn't even give away for free.
Poulsen - See Konchesky
Cole - Had high hopes for him but never settled. Tbf to him, he had a lot of bad luck last season but it was difficult to justify giving him another year to prove himself with the money he was on. Hopefully we can shift him permanently next summer.
Aquilani - Would have loved him to stay but was messed around last summer and you can't blame him for wanting to stay in Italy. Dalglish won't keep an unhappy player so he was always off.
Meireles - Decent player but expendable. Would have rather not sold him to Chelsea and/or been able to sign a direct replacement for him though. Given the amount we've spent and the lack of incoming transfer fees, he may have had to been sold to balance the books too.
Ngog - A bit like Soto. Done a decent job but not quite good enough. Given a run of games (which we couldn't give him), I'm sure he'll do ok for Bolton.
Pacheco, Ayala, Mavinga etc - A mixture of kids that were not just good enough and had to move on.

Ones that got away
Phil Jones - Probably the only player I really wished we could have signed. Looks like he's going to become an excellent player. Hopefully we've got the same in Coates though.

Deadweights
Brad Jones - Some reports that he's stayed because of the health of his kid but he's not good enough and has no future here.
Aurelio - I'm not sure he deserves to go in here as he's a top class player when fit but he's never fit :(

Overall
Overall I think we've had a very decent if not spectacular summer. We could have probably done with another attacking player to complete the squad but it's difficult to complain too much. I think we've addressed all the key areas of the first team that needed improving and added depth to our squad that we've not had for a very long time.

Mind blown, that is a team with no CL football, how can you afford all that! No CL, 45k every home game, crazy

Also Arsenal at buying cheap crap!
 
God your logic is so hard to comprehend some times :/

During his run Van Persie was doing his job, be it scoring the first goal, an equalising goal, or even just a consolation goal it is by no means anything to do with him being a lack of a lone striker the fact that those goals didn't lead to wins THAT was a problem with the rest of your team.

RVP didn't suddenly think to himself you know what we're not winning this game so I'll kick this into row Z..... oh **** we're 2-0 down now I better do something

I honestly have no idea what you're on about?

He's not a lone striker, in tough games you need someone like Berbatov who can control just about any type of pass, bring it under control, step into space and play a great pass to your supporting players. RVP has been pretty rubbish at that, and in all the tough games he's gone almost completely missing.

Its NOT about the goals, but the PERFORMANCE, its not about the wins or losses, its about the performances. If you win, and then decide you don't need to improve, the performance sucked..... you'll lose more often. If you lose but the performance was great, and the performances continue to be good, you improve and win more.

If you actually watched RVP, in that role, he's fairly useless for a huge portion of every game. He gets muscled out, he barely ever wins a header, so what, those aren't parts of his game. THeres a reason Chamakh in form in the team lead to more wins, we held the ball better in the opposition final third, rather than going upfield, losing the ball and dealing with counter attacks all game long which is, incidentally, how Utd created most of their pressure.

The stats, and the goals, and who he scored them against just go to show that most of his goals came in games where our team was under little pressure. RVP gets incredibly isolated, that isn't his fault, but our team backs further and further up and the gap between our midfield/striker becomes huge, he's not the guy to hold on to it while waiting for support, and our wingers aren't the guys(or haven't been) to get up to support him well in such games.

RVP was putting in better 90minute performances when he wasn't in his scoring run, and the TEAM won more games........ thats all that matters. He was great in those games, he wasn't a lone striker in most of them.

RVP scores half as much, other players get more goals, team scores more total, we play better in tougher games, and we get more points...... or

RVP scores twice as much, other players get relatively few goals, team scores less OVERALL, team wins less often and team gets less points.

We need the later, RVP as a lone striker does not work in this system, it never has.
 
Mind blown, that is a team with no CL football, how can you afford all that! No CL, 45k every home game, crazy

No more debt = no more interest payments. We've also signed some big commercial deals too so we're not reliant on CL money anymore.

Give or take, we've spent around £55m and brought back in ~£22m with a further £7m almost guaranteed next summer for Aquilani. I believe that all-in, we've loaned, sold or released 19 players this summer and although it's not come down as much as it should have, our wagebill is bound to have decreased.

If you include the Aquilani fee, since the takeover we've only actually spent ~£25m more than we've brought in while lowering our wagebill. When you look at the strength of the squad before and after, it's £25m well spent imo.
 
Well rumour has it when he had his mystery absence from the team a couple of years ago it was due to a failed drugs test.

It's also extremely rare you see players being loaned to Brazil from England. I dunno, something just doesn't smell right, I know he wasn't first choice for Arsenal but with Fabregas almost certain to leave it just seemed a bit strange letting him go like that to South America. I'm not suggesting there is anything untoward going on, just that there may be more to it than meets the eye.

What on earth is everyone going on about. Denilson wasn't getting games, and fed up at Arsenal, he turned from a promising attacking midfielder into a truly awful defensive midfielder.......... he asked to leave......... and no one would pay a transfer fee for him so we got his wages off the book.

He publically asked to go, infact he was just about the only Arsenal player who did so, where is the mystery.

"Boss, I can't stand it here, I want to go"

"ok, you suck balls anyway, I asked around and no one wanted to actually pay for you so we're loaning you out"


EDIT:- Why on earth did Arteta take a big pay cut, and effectively for what is the most senior/high quality signing we made 55k a week seems mental, good business though I just can't see why he accepted it. Being on less than Theo, and Diaby I think, madness, though that says more about those two's ridiculous contracts than Arteta's.
 
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id bet on arteta having some big bonuses in that contract. like for when he's actually fully fit

So hang on have we still got 7 strikers?? Amazed we didn't loan anyone out :confused:

loan deadline hasn't passed . if there even is one ?

send em all to boro because we now have one fit striker :p
 
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