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It feels geekish :) how the heck did I get access to so many high end phones.

I have such a soft spot for the O2X. It is such a beautiful piece of kit... When it works.

Ah, then I probably shouldn't tell you that I have twice as many phones as that sat on my desk alone...

Oops! ;)

Out of interest, what do you like so much about the O2X?
 
how are they opinionated? it's a spec sheet.

The "green" rating is the opinionated part. For example, the IPS screen I consider to be better than a Super AMOLED. I have also seen reviews for this both ways.

Giving the green to the MHL connector is also questionable. Despite it's status as an "open" standard, HDMI and the dock connector are more widespread. I certainly wouldn't consider this a plus.

They've given the green to Apple for the playback life, but to Samsung for the battery rating. Despite the fact that the iPhone seems to be more optimised for it due to the longer battery life.

A larger screen is not always better. This is personal preference in my opinion.

Also, a 1GHz A5 (Cortex A9 really) could stack up very well against a 1.5GHz Snapdragon. The GHz rating does not make the processor.
 
No, go into the Apple Store, tell me their demographic audience.

Half them them are at least women, you think they care about the A5 chip?

Yeah right. All they care about is if you can get Facebook App on it, play Angry Birds and if they can use it like an iPod.

considering their sales count is in the billions I think you are seriously generalising their target audience.

They may not care about the specifics but they DO care about the quality of the product - just because it's apple doesn't mean they would buy a plank of wood that has "iphone" written on it. I bought this phone thinking I wouldn't ever need to upgrade as it used to be really fast - but with the software upgrades DEMANDING better hardware, I didn't have a choice - do you see where I'm coming from?

Regardless of target audience - the consumer wants a quality product, you hurt the consumer, you are only forcing them else where.

the iphone is not a cheap product that someone would like to spruce up their exercise regime. It's an expensive product and in an area that everyone these days deems the most valuable asset in their everyday life.

People don't go out, spend £600 on something without asking around/research. They buy it because they are attracted to it for their own reasons.

brushing off the hardware of it is liking brushing off the fitness levels of an athlete. By your definition you should still be on the first Iphone out there - I mean why upgrade? nobody cares about the hardware right?
 
How is that Androids fault that developers are being lazy & not developing for a viable platform?

It doesn't matter whose fault it is, Android's severe fragmentation early on scared off many decent app development companies. Blame whoever you like.
 
Ah, then I probably shouldn't tell you that I have twice as many phones as that sat on my desk alone...

Oops! ;)

Out of interest, what do you like so much about the O2X?

Lol awesome. I feel less of an outcast.

The GS2 is my day to day phone. It has received acclaim and awards etc. The O2X feels almost as fast, costs half as much and has a better screen with less bloatware by default.

If the O2X was as reliable as the GS2 I would swap to it on the grounds of bang for buck alone. Samsung has a better camera+ better reliability so I stay with that.p
I suppose the IPS screen alone adds to the beauty and the less busy software is a little apple-esque whilst allowing me to play all video formats and use flash. This is the perfect compromise for me. Trust LG to screw it uo
 
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considering their sales count is in the billions I think you are seriously generalising their target audience.

They may not care about the specifics but they DO care about the quality of the product - just because it's apple doesn't mean they would buy a plank of wood that has "iphone" written on it. I bought this phone thinking I wouldn't ever need to upgrade as it used to be really fast - but with the software upgrades DEMANDING better hardware, I didn't have a choice - do you see where I'm coming from?

Regardless of target audience - the consumer wants a quality product, you hurt the consumer, you are only forcing them else where.

the iphone is not a cheap product that someone would like to spruce up their exercise regime. It's an expensive product and in an area that everyone these days deems the most valuable asset in their everyday life.

People don't go out, spend £600 on something without asking around/research. They buy it because they are attracted to it for their own reasons.

brushing off the hardware of it is liking brushing off the fitness levels of an athlete. By your definition you should still be on the first Iphone out there - I mean why upgrade? nobody cares about the hardware right?

People do go out and spend £600 on something without research.

I spent £500 on my iPhone 4 because i had 30min wait until my next train. So what? Before that 30 minutes I wasn't planning on getting a new phone, I bought it on a wimp.

You are giving the general public FAR too much credit. People are shallow, people follow trends, and people buy things because they want to.

The silicon behind it all, they don't care, long as it works as it should.
 
and the problem is that developers perceive they will earn less on android
I dont think its even a perception - they will earn less just targeting Android. Its probably the biggest issue for Google currently. Being open is great for penetration, but its makes something like development much harder...

Its not dumb luck that MS decided to have a minimum requirement for WP7 class devices or what devices featured previous WM software...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
I mean why upgrade? nobody cares about the hardware right?

Of course people want to know it's fast, but the majority are non-technical people, going into detail means nothing to them. Which is why figures like 7x faster will always be used.

What is silly, and seems to be constantly happening here on these forums is people belittling phones and getting hung up on specs.

ie:
"X Phone is rubbish because the processor isn't as good as in Y Phone".

Hardly anybody cares about this, I don't think some here people seem to realise.

At the end of the day, the phones are also designed to run different Operating Systems, so trying to compare an iPhone running iOS to something like a Samsung Galaxy running Android is fruitless.


People want a phone that is fast and works how a smart phone should. They want a good camera and lots of bells and whistles. So in those terms, Apple delivered on that today.
 
Problem as I see it is that on this forum the majority of people are tinkerers.

That is to say they buy to be able to tweak to what they exactly want.

Apple is essentially (on the iPhone especially) the complete opposite to this.

Hence, arguments ensue.


I personally have a iPhone because it does exactly what I want from it. I used to have it jailbroken, and now I don't.

It's quite possible that you can get technically superior phones than the 4/4S. However when you combine hardware + software you get an experience better than that of an OS that is smattered over a number of different devices.

The iPhone provides exactly what I want from a phone, Android, does not.

I think we should all agree that it is down to personal opinion and that if someone chooses to buy a £700 iPhone 4S 64GB that is their choice.

Exactly. I personally have no interest in tinkering with my phone, its a phone that does a whole load of other stuff very well out of the box. I have far more important things to be doing with my time.

The major factor which pulls a majority of new and existing customers is the overall experience of hardware + software + services that you don't find with any other manufacturer. Even more so if you've bought into the entire Apple eco-system - mac + iPhone + iPad + apple tv.

For the record I won't be upgrading from a 4 to a 4s as I'm still in contract until August next year so will hold on to the next revision whenever that may be.
 
O yeah, because we all know faster clock speeds mean a better processor.

Yeah, screw this, i'm going back to my Pentium D clocked at 4.2Ghz as that is far faster than my Core Duo at 2.8Ghz.

If they were the same processor with the same architecture i can understand your point but they aren't.

lol are infact the same ARM a9 processor - however ebilcake and a few like him seems as tho they doesn't know shizz. No point trying to educate dim people.

The A5 has more power than ios knows what to do with it.

Main disappointment of the new IPHONE is the same old screen and design ( it just needed a nice little tweek for a bigger screen)
 
Feek has a point, the sales figures will show otherwise. No matter what phone that Apple put out, it will be successful. But at the same time, what easyrider said is kinda valid; people will just buy Apple products "just cus".

The issue, however, is that people are going to look at the 4S and not see any advantages to that over the 4, and more importantly for Apple, Android devices. It will sell, but I'm skeptical as to how it will sell against previous iPhone models. People will look at the 4 and not see an "inferior" phone. And to be honest, they have a point, it is pretty much the same thing, no matter how you swing it.

The price is a huge issue as well. The alternatives are just too good for the iPhone to sell with extreme ease at that price. I just don't think that SGS2 sales are going to fall like a brick because of this release...

Not turning this into an Android vs iOS thread by the way. It's just that today's releases have made Android an even easier decision for some.

Point well made.
 
Camera samples at the bottom of this page incase anyone missed them - http://www.apple.com/iphone/built-in-apps/camera.html

Not bad at all.

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Anyone know what time can we pre order the phone? Apparently its 00:00 Eastern time, so in UK 5am. Or do we get to pre order 00:00 GMT?
 
Im fully Apple-ised now except for my mobile. I have an iPhone 4 but dont use it, I prefer my HTC. I think I will wait for the iPhone 5 before making the switch. The 4S doesnt have that much benefit for me over the 4.
 
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