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** The AMD Navi Thread **

https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3528-hw-news-14nm-shortage-worsens-nvidia-revives-rtx-2070

RTX 2070 Coming Back
Our board partner contacts have told us that they’ve ordered more RTX 2070 GPU dies, and that NVIDIA is reviving the previously-retired 2070 line because AMD RX 5700 XT sales are outpacing 2060 Super sales. NVIDIA had originally told us (on record) that the RTX 2070 would be replaced with the 2060 Super and 2070 Super, but the company looks to be prolonging the life of its 2070 to better compete with AMD.
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Or how about just slash £100 off the 2070 Super then, Nvidia?

But then how can this work? 5700 XT was designed to beat the 2070 Founders, which it does, and costed less than the 2070 Founders, which it was even before the "jebaited" price drop. So unless the 2070 is priced under the 5700 XT, it's still not going to sell.

And none of this affects the 5700 vs 2060.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3528-hw-news-14nm-shortage-worsens-nvidia-revives-rtx-2070
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It is true, for us 2060 sells great at under £300, 2060 Super is hardly selling and 2070 Super absolutely flies off the shelf.
5700 is slow sale wise, but 5700 XT also flies off the shelf as both AMD's products are a better buy than 2060 Super.

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Yes it is flying of the shelf like crazy as were offering it at 2060 Super MSRP for a much superior product and a card that flattens the 5700 and is more than a match for 5700 XT, competition is good. :)
 
LePhuronn said:
Or how about just slash £100 off the 2070 Super then, Nvidia?
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Because it flies for them, of course as consumers we'd love nothing more than 2060 Super to drop to £299 and 2070 Super to drop to £399, but alas that won't happen and 2070 is back, but AMD's 5700/5700 XT pricing has become more competitive also, but mainly due to improve strength of pound, which also works in NVIDIA camp too hence why prices have improved along with some Black Friday marketing funding to make deals happen.
 
Gibbo said:
Because it flies for them
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Clearly it's not flying enough though, is it.

Dropping the 2070 Super to be in line with the 5700 XT completely eliminates any reason to buy AMD. And if Nvidia are losing 2060 Super sales to the 5700 XT then that's clearly a problem with their pricing. 2060 Super is not in the same league as the XT, so why should it be priced anywhere near?

2070 Founders was beaten by the 5700 XT. That Palit card is not a Founders, yet costs the same as the reference XT? So you're paying the same money for inferior performance. Well, that clearly doesn't work for 2060 Super sales, so why would it work for a resurrected 2070? The 2070 is dead-on-resurrection if anybody had half a brain.
 
LePhuronn said:
Clearly it's not flying enough though, is it.

Dropping the 2070 Super to be in line with the 5700 XT completely eliminates any reason to buy AMD. And if Nvidia are losing 2060 Super sales to the 5700 XT then that's clearly a problem with their pricing. 2060 Super is not in the same league as the XT, so why should it be priced anywhere near?

2070 Founders was beaten by the 5700 XT. That Palit card is not a Founders, yet costs the same as the reference XT? So you're paying the same money for inferior performance. Well, that clearly doesn't work for 2060 Super sales, so why would it work for a resurrected 2070? The 2070 is dead-on-resurrection if anybody had half a brain.
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Well it is because the GPU is in shortage, board partners are always running low on stocks, so the supply is still not 100% keeping with the full demand, it is just about coping and in such a situation lowering the price to create even further constraint would be a poor business decision, especially for a company like NVIDIA who has no competition and no matter what prices they set people will continue buying.
 
LePhuronn said:
Are TU104 yields really that bad? Are TU104 yields good enough to not chop down for a 2060 Super and server a 2070 instead?
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No idea if its about yields or just demand is very high, I mean we sell a huge amount of 2070S and were not the biggest player in the UK and the UK is not the biggest player in EMEA, let alone the world so I suspect its just a case of extremely high demand, not so much poor yields.
 
LePhuronn said:
Are TU104 yields really that bad? Are TU104 yields good enough to not chop down for a 2060 Super and server a 2070 instead?
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it is not a yields issue but demand. Despite all the fake news Turing is really selling well and helping Nvidia realize massive profits last quarter.
 
D.P. said:
it is not a yields issue but demand. Despite all the fake news Turing is really selling well and helping Nvidia realize massive profits last quarter.
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So if the 2070 Super is indeed so popular Nvidia can't make enough, dedicate the fab capacity to increase TU104 production, not bang out more TU106s that nobody is buying.

Sorry, don't buy it. You don't tackle shortages of a popular product by diverting manufacturing capacity to something nobody wants.
 
LePhuronn said:
Clearly it's not flying enough though, is it.

Dropping the 2070 Super to be in line with the 5700 XT completely eliminates any reason to buy AMD. And if Nvidia are losing 2060 Super sales to the 5700 XT then that's clearly a problem with their pricing. 2060 Super is not in the same league as the XT, so why should it be priced anywhere near?

2070 Founders was beaten by the 5700 XT. That Palit card is not a Founders, yet costs the same as the reference XT? So you're paying the same money for inferior performance. Well, that clearly doesn't work for 2060 Super sales, so why would it work for a resurrected 2070? The 2070 is dead-on-resurrection if anybody had half a brain.
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What you haven't taken into account is that the 5700xt doesn't offer ray-tracing where as the 2060 super does.
 
Bounce said:
What you haven't taken into account is that the 5700xt doesn't offer ray-tracing where as the 2060 super does.
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... it still supports only 1080p30 ray-traced gaming, though. Just paper feature. AMD has confirmed they would want to introduce ray-tracing support when it's ready for the entry-level cards, as the base.
 
LePhuronn said:
So if the 2070 Super is indeed so popular Nvidia can't make enough, dedicate the fab capacity to increase TU104 production, not bang out more TU106s that nobody is buying.

Sorry, don't buy it. You don't tackle shortages of a popular product by diverting manufacturing capacity to something nobody wants.
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it’s probably caused by stock surplus, but whatever way you want to look at it production will be geared towards maximising Nvidia profits first. I would agree it also highlights pricing inconsistencies but Nvidia don’t care about that imho not until the volumes drop below the gains made by increased margins and competition then they care
 
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