Last time I checked, there are no 150K Russian Federation soldiers in Ukraine.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Last time I checked, there are no 150K Russian Federation soldiers in Ukraine.
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I can’t be bothered with you any more, it’s like talking to a brick wall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_Russo-Georgian_War#:~:text=An independent report commissioned by,villages and law enforcement units.
Russians went overboard but Saakashvili went too far as well. Perhaps it was agreed false flag.
No one has denied that Saakahsvili has literally bombed Tsikinvali where Russian peacekeepers were. Not smart.
I'm not denying that this will put Russian troops officially on ground. And that next time there is Shelling in Donbass, we will see a full force of Kalibr or Iskander missiles hitting Ukranian positions.
I'm simply saying, we had a rhetoric going on since 2014 along with sanctions - that Russian Army were already in Donbass. So it is hard to get all amped up about it - considering we declared they were there since 2014/2015, we also put Sanctions on Russia for it as well.
Quite frankly I'm sure in coming days, we will see a huge response on either real or fake Ukranian shelling of Donbass. Something that will allow Putin to come out and say, see - we told you, we were never here prior to now.
Probably dropping quite a few of Kalibrs on Ukranian positions that 'allegedly fired' something that 'proves' all previous responses were in fact not Russian army but separatists since they lacked firepower.
Some NATO countries are already providing 'assistance' to Ukraine. Putin suggested earlier his desire to recreate the USSR, notwithstanding some are current NATO members. So at some stage, unless there is a coup in Russia or he is replaced, NATO maybe faced with that stark choice.
I wasn't aware that the context was so narrow. Perhaps you should have said 'Putin hasn't launched another invasion yet.'
Biden is meeting with Putin to prevent a fresh invasion that will likely increase the size of Russian-occupied Ukrainian territory. This is not rocket science, I don't know why you're finding it so difficult to understand.
And there it is: 'Russian President Vladimir Putin officially recognises independence of Ukrainian separatist regions.'
Still seems like Putin is holding all the cards.
Ukraine has basically been handed on a platter by the West, it's just a question of how bloody an invasion would be. After declaring the independent states I'm expecting the Russian troops to enter and then push the front line of the 'rebels' forward towards Kiev. The Russian's love deniability even when it's plain to see what is happening.
I still think Putin's long game is to get into Hungary and then to the Adriatic sea. Hungary refused NATO troops, Orban would probably be another Lukashenko and roll on his back. Putin also wanted a naval base in Montenegro a few years ago that he didn't get. If he ends up joining the dots then he has completely engulfed Western Europe and controls everything that goes in and out by land.
Plus there is the baiting of American heavy artillery into Russia, which I don't think USA would want to do. It may be that Russia has developed some novel technology and feel they have the upper hand, making them confident that now is the time to make their move. If say Russia's conventional missile technology can hold its own or better, then that would probably give China confidence to attack Taiwan. In a doomsday scenario it might even make MAD not quite so mutual...
Ukraine has basically been handed on a platter by the West, it's just a question of how bloody an invasion would be. After declaring the independent states I'm expecting the Russian troops to enter and then push the front line of the 'rebels' forward towards Kiev. The Russian's love deniability even when it's plain to see what is happening.
I still think Putin's long game is to get into Hungary and then to the Adriatic sea. Hungary refused NATO troops, Orban would probably be another Lukashenko and roll on his back. Putin also wanted a naval base in Montenegro a few years ago that he didn't get. If he ends up joining the dots then he has completely engulfed Western Europe and controls everything that goes in and out by land.
Plus there is the baiting of American heavy artillery into Russia, which I don't think USA would want to do. It may be that Russia has developed some novel technology and feel they have the upper hand, making them confident that now is the time to make their move. If say Russia's conventional missile technology can hold its own or better, then that would probably give China confidence to attack Taiwan. In a doomsday scenario it might even make MAD not quite so mutual...
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There’s no point in any further meetings. It’s all a sham, neither side will get what they want out of them.
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I just hope every party took this as ramp off and will de-escalate. Otherwise you are right and quite frankly we're in for a ride.
Hungary, Montenegro etc. are NATO members so Russia would be removed off the face of the planet if they stepped foot there.
Russia would be removed off the face of the planet * with everyone else apart from cockroaches.
There fixed it for you.
So lets make sure he does not go there in first place, better yet, lets make sure Russian people kick him out and elect someone else.
Yanukovich was a pro-EU candidate himself, he wouldn't have been elected otherwise, it's just he wasn't anti-Russia like the other guy.
Missed the part where Yanukovich had protest fired upon by his police injuring over a thousand and resulting in dozens of deaths, that was kinda a major factor in his fleeing the city a couple of days later and being impeached in absence
Common internet myth based on Russian misinformation, what actually happened was that they voted to repeal a 2012 law that gave Russian, Hungarian, Moldovan and Romanian languages the legal right to be used in courts/schools/institutions in areas where the corresponding ethnic minorities exceeded >10% of the population, however the vote was vetoed a couple of days later by the acting president. Of course when Russian media started broadcasting the news to Donetsk/etc they went with the story you have heard.
People had a choice, they elected a president who promised to sign it, they repeatedly polled in favour of it, and removed by force the president after he refused to sign it.
Yanukovich was a pro-EU candidate himself, he wouldn't have been elected otherwise, it's just he wasn't anti-Russia like the other guy.
Missed the part where Yanukovich had protest fired upon by his police injuring over a thousand and resulting in dozens of deaths, that was kinda a major factor in his fleeing the city a couple of days later and being impeached in absence
Common internet myth based on Russian misinformation, what actually happened was that they voted to repeal a 2012 law that gave Russian, Hungarian, Moldovan and Romanian languages the legal right to be used in courts/schools/institutions in areas where the corresponding ethnic minorities exceeded >10% of the population, however the vote was vetoed a couple of days later by the acting president. Of course when Russian media started broadcasting the news to Donetsk/etc they went wiht the story you have heard.
People had a choice, they elected a president who promised to sign it, they repeatedly polled in favour of it, and removed by force the president after he refused to sign it.
The whole police shooting people stuff is ongoing investigation to this day. Because there is no clear evidence and some points to it being false flag from protestors side. Look at Zelenskiy promise during elections, his hint was to finally investigate and put people responsible in jail. The hint was that this was false flag by protestors.
The Russian language is not a myth, they tried to ban Russian language along with other languages from use on official levels. Its true. You even agree. Regardless, bad optics for sure especially in days it took for Yatseniuk or whoever to veto it.
Lastly, Russian does not even have minority language status in Ukraine today quite frankly. Because its not NATO or Western language. Just to show if this was a nothing burger or not.
I personally believe, if protestors stuck to EU/RUSSIA/Yanokuvich agreements, Crimea and Donbass would never have happend. Poroshenko was going to win those elections regardless. Again to at least make it somewhat friendly, why not just wait couple months till elections and then sign the agreement.
It's dubious to accept such great laws by government that is not elected and is appointed by force.
So much of nothiburger that even PACE (European parliamentary assembly) is unhappy with it.
https://censor.net/ru/news/3153351/...edovanii_del_mayidana_i_ilovayiska_zelenskiyi
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Why, are you in Ukraine?
I'm expecting to see 'stand with Ukraine' and Ukranian flags all over my social media feeds tomorrow.
I'm sure it will help.
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