Why are you not vegan....

[Minusorange]

To all the people who enjoy pork based meat

What we need are some proper cannibals, and where better to start than one of Germany's most infamous citizens, the cannibal Armin Meiwes. Having eaten an estimated 20kg of his victim, Meiwes is something of an expert on the subject, and in an interview from his prison cell he was more than happy to explain the taste: "The flesh tastes like pork, a little bit more bitter, stronger. It tastes quite good."

What does human meat taste like? | Martin Robbins

Martin Robbins: After a hoax in which a German restaurant appeared willing to serve spare body parts, I tackle the burning question of the day: what does human flesh taste like?

www.theguardian.com

 

[Raymond Lin]

What a surprise, vegan finds pro vegan article lol If you think that the current pro vegan anti meat agenda actually has anything to do with improving health you are sorely mistaken. It's all about profits, through these ultra processed foods. Thanks but no thanks.

Oh we go to the toilet far better than Vegans do, for starters because our crap doesn't come out of our mouths! But also as it turns out the body doesn't need fibre. Fat is the natural lubricant of the bowel, I go roughly once a day or every other day. I guarantee there's a lot less volume because what we eat is more bioavailable and we're not dumping mountains of indigestible crud.

I go at least once a day, often twice a day.

I eat meat and get enough fibre, you can have a balanced diet without cutting out meat.

To all the people who enjoy pork based meat

What does human meat taste like? | Martin Robbins

Martin Robbins: After a hoax in which a German restaurant appeared willing to serve spare body parts, I tackle the burning question of the day: what does human flesh taste like?

www.theguardian.com

This is the kind of "oh look!" attitude that gives vegans a bad name. You think someone who eats pork reads that and thinks "I am eating humans'?

Noooo, they probably going to get another pork chop for dinner to spite you. What you've done is the reverse, to make people eat more meat. You've been told countless times that the way you are doing it is wrong. Yet you are STILL doing it the same way to convince people?

Pigeons learn faster than you. (Friends reference)

p.s. pigeons taste quite nice.

 

[Minusorange]

to spite you.

And how utterly childish that would be when it's obviously tongue in cheek

 

[Raymond Lin]

And how utterly childish that would be when it's obviously tongue in cheek

No, childish is to imply to people that they like eating human flesh. Your post comes across smug.

 

[Minusorange]

Your post comes across smug.

And all your posts in this topic are ironic

 

[Goodie]

None of this matters a crap until we face up to the fact that humans "right" to reproduce freely needs to end.

That is one of the most berserk statements I've come across in all my time on this forum. No surprise its in this thread.

 

[Raymond Lin]

I used to work with a guy who was a vegan, he'd spend ages banging on about it to me and everytime I pointed out the hypocrisy of the fact that he was wearing a leather belt and had leather in his shoes , he'd get very angry and defensive.

It was his own fault really, I had no issue with him wanting to be vegan, just as I have no issue with anyone who wants to believe in a God , or that the Earth is flat, or that we have aliens visiting us in UFOs, or that there are ghosts, or climate change or whatever thing they are backing. I firmly think that everyone should be free to believe in whatever morals or principles or thoughts they want, but the moment they start to dictate those onto me (or perhaps AT would be the more applicable word) thats when it gets my back up. I'm happy to let anyone think/believe whatever they want, I dont try and make them change their mind, all I ask is that same attitude is given to me too.

This needs to be quoted.

 

[JonRGV250]

Nuff said really

 

[Pottsey]

Apart from the odd home made fried rice dish, nothing I eat has rice in it

Based on what ? Care to show some actual science and figures to support your absurd claim

So you eat food that is worse for the environment then meat so much for your morally superior attitude.

I have already given you links showing how methane from the vegetarian industry is x30 more damaging then co2. There have been plenty of scientific studies into it along with more like below

"Vegetarians Cause More Greenhouse Gas Emissions Than Meat Eaters: The Worst Foods For The Environment, According To The USDA"

"Vegetarians could be destroying the environment, ironically worse than their meat-eater counterparts. Researchers at Carnegie Mellon took a closer look at foods recommended by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) and discovered fruits, vegetables, dairy, and seafood is more harmful to the environment than red meat. Their study, published in the journal Environment Systems and Decisions, explains how healthy foods require greater amounts of resources and greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions per calorie."

Energy use, blue water footprint, and greenhouse gas emissions for current food consumption patterns and dietary recommendations in the US - Environment Systems and Decisions

This article measures the changes in energy use, blue water footprint, and greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions associated with shifting from current US food consumption patterns to three dietary scenarios, which are based, in part, on the 2010 USDA Dietary Guidelines (US Department of Agriculture and...

link.springer.com

Vegetarians Cause More Greenhouse Gas Emissions Than Meat Eaters: The Worst Foods For The Environment, According To The USDA

Vegetarian diets may be healthier for the human body than meat diets, but they aren't as environmentally friendly.

www.medicaldaily.com

 

[Mr Paul]

Bacon and steak

 

[Vidar]

Bacon and steak

Amen brother

 

[this_is_gav]

Bacon and steak

I had steak (basted in butter) tonight with some dauphinoise potatoes (cream and butter) and some chestnut mushrooms (cooked in the butter from the steak).

It was good.

I'd love to say it was a counter-protest to this thread, but the truth was I'd planned it for this week already.

 

[Tony Edwards]

You meat eaters go right off the rail a lot of the time. Could it be too much animal products?

 

[darkgen]

Has the OP been satisfied with the outcome? Agree to disagree? This is equally honourable.

Score-draw?

 

[Tony Edwards]

I eat meat and get enough fibre, you can have a balanced diet without cutting out meat.

Can you have a balanced diet by cutting out plant products?

 

[Minusorange]

Energy use, blue water footprint, and greenhouse gas emissions for current food consumption patterns and dietary recommendations in the US - Environment Systems and Decisions

This article measures the changes in energy use, blue water footprint, and greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions associated with shifting from current US food consumption patterns to three dietary scenarios, which are based, in part, on the 2010 USDA Dietary Guidelines (US Department of Agriculture and...

link.springer.com

Did you even read the paper ?

Dairy, by far, has the greatest impact on increased GHG emissions because it has the third highest emissions intensity value, which is then compounded by USDA rec-ommendations for substantial increases in dairy. Fish/sea-food is the second most driving force behind increased GHG emissions

I don't think you really understand what it's saying, all these studies are based on calorific equivalent, do you understand that a plate full of vegetables is going to have less calories than a plate full of meat ? When people substitute veg for meat they're not ending up eating 2 plates of veg vs their 1 plate when it was meat & veg to reach calorie parity, they're resulting in fewer calories being consumed which makes the 6% increase in GHG moot if the overall calorie reduction is more than that 6%

Study Finds Environmental Impact of Meat Versus Vegetables is Staggering

Researchers at University of Minnesota and Oxford University have given more indications that a plant-based diet is better for the environment.

www.onegreenplanet.org

The environmental impact of meat versus vegetables is staggering. A serving size of meat compared to a serving size of vegetables is linked to 20 times more greenhouse gas emissions. It also takes 100 times the amount of land as consuming vegetables. Unprocessed red meat has twice the water impact of nuts.

Global meat production vs plant-based food production | For Librarians | Springer Nature

Nature Portfolio is committed to publishing research that is rigorous, reproducible and impactful. Our dedicated in-house editorial teams tirelessly

www.springernature.com

This paper calculates this with unprecedented accuracy. The research finds that the use of cows, pigs and other animals for food, as well as livestock feed, is responsible for 57% of all food production emissions. The difference in emissions between meat and plant production is stark – to produce 1kg of wheat, 2.5kg of greenhouse gases are emitted, on average. A single kilo of beef, meanwhile, creates 70kg of emissions.

As for land useage which is also an issue

Environmental impacts of alternative proteins | GFI

Explore the environmental advantages of alternative proteins in diversifying the global food supply. With minimal land and water use, lower GHG emissions, and reduced pollutants, investing in alternative proteins ensures a sustainable and secure food future.

gfi.org

Animal agriculture takes up 77% of all agricultural land on Earth despite supplying only 17% of humanity’s food supply.11 This inefficiency drives the need for agricultural expansion, which is the single largest driver of ecosystem damage on land.12


Fishing, whose yield can also be replaced with plant-based products, is the single largest driver of
ecosystem damage in the oceans.12 Although pigs and chickens always require feed crops, cows can graze in some places where crops can’t grow. However, there is only enough pasture in the United States to support 27% of current beef production, and that includes the grass growing where crops otherwise could.13 Grass-fed meat alone cannot feed America.


In contrast, using all our cropland to grow food for humans instead of animals would allow American
farmers to feed more than twice as many people.14,15 That would increase the food supply three times as much as recovering all the food that spoils or gets thrown away before it can be eaten.15 Plant-based meat offers a promising pathway toward realizing most of this efficiency gain.

That's a whole lot of land being fertilized and adding to the No3 problem you mention, only 33% of agricultural land is used for plant industry (minus the stuff for animal feed) Guess what you could use the land for ? Forests which will yield in an even greater reduction of Co2, part of the problem we have with Co2 is deforestation in order for people to contribute to the meat industry in the likes of Brazil

 

[Raymond Lin]

Can you have a balanced diet by cutting out plant products?

I am not a picky eater, I actually CRAVE vegetables.

 

[Destination]

which is a pretty weak response because as you point out, being an omnivore you can become vegan.

With a bit of help on the B12 yeah it is possible.
I am not vegan as I enjoy all the variations of food made with and without animal products.
It isn't just about the meat, I like milk in coffee, I like to eat cheese (happen to take lactofree variants of both but still delight in them) I love sweets made with gelatine, and sauces for food.
I love sushi, delight in a medium rare ribeye, this is pretty much why i am not vegan, I just love food far too much.

 

[Johno please?]

I used to work with a guy who was a vegan, he'd spend ages banging on about it to me and everytime I pointed out the hypocrisy of the fact that he was wearing a leather belt and had leather in his shoes , he'd get very angry and defensive.

He should have said, "****, you're right, thanks for pointing that out to me" I find that a bit weird that he bothered to go vegan but didnt consider leather, it was the next thing I thought about after stopping eating dairy.

What a surprise, vegan finds pro vegan article lol If you think that the current pro vegan anti meat agenda actually has anything to do with improving health you are sorely mistaken. It's all about profits, through these ultra processed foods. Thanks but no thanks.

Oh we go to the toilet far better than Vegans do, for starters because our crap doesn't come out of our mouths! But also as it turns out the body doesn't need fibre. Fat is the natural lubricant of the bowel, I go roughly once a day or every other day. I guarantee there's a lot less volume because what we eat is more bioavailable and we're not dumping mountains of indigestible crud.

Uhh, the 'The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics' who did the study isn't "pro vegan" at all.

Yea, rice, legumes, beans, bread, potatoes, nuts & seeds and vegetables are sooooo ultra processed.

Cool, Well enjoy your bowel cancer I guess

New research says even moderate red and processed meat eaters at risk of bowel cancer

People who eat red and processed meat within department of health guidelines are still at increased risk of bowel cancer, according to a study published today.

www.bowelcanceruk.org.uk

 

[Tombstone]

He should have said, "****, you're right, thanks for pointing that out to me" I find that a bit weird that he bothered to go vegan but didnt consider leather, it was the next thing I thought about after stopping eating dairy.

I suspected at the time, and still believe, that most likely answer to that is that he was "vegan" rather than vegan. That he was in effect virtue signalling and waving a "look at me, arent I noble and just" flag rather than being true to the vegan belief. I never saw his home or his car but I'll bet money right now that he also had leathers or other animal products in his home and car (the steering wheel covering for a start) and probably somewhere on the cars upholstery and no doubt somewhere on his furniture. Then again I guess that should be no surprise, there are A LOT of people out there who do just enough to enable them to pop on a halo and preach at others rather than truly going all in on their supposed belief.