10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

Wrinkly · 10 Apr 2022 at 13:51

Never takes long for the knitting circle to show up :cry:

TNA · 10 Apr 2022 at 13:54

Tired9 said:
I have bought Far Cry 6 2 minutes ago since I got it for a reasonable price (£20), I will be testing at 2560x1440 with my RTX 3070, I want to see how badly it runs on my card, I think my resolution is a fair res to use since the GPU is not 4K capable in these later games so am using a realistic res and one I use personally.

I am going to work at 5pm and this won't be downloaded by then so will update you all.

It will work just fine I would imagine with the standard patato textures. But install the "optional textures" and I am almost certain you will have issues.

Tired9 · 10 Apr 2022 at 13:58

TNA said:
It will work just fine I would imagine with the standard patato textures. But install the "optional textures" and I am almost certain you will have issues.

I am installing those too.

Nexus18 · 10 Apr 2022 at 13:59

Tired9 said:
I have bought Far Cry 6 2 minutes ago since I got it for a reasonable price (£20), I will be testing at 2560x1440 with my RTX 3070, I want to see how badly it runs on my card, I think my resolution is a fair res to use since the GPU is not 4K capable in these later games so am using a realistic res and one I use personally.

I am going to work at 5pm and this won't be downloaded by then so will update you all.

TNA said:
It will work just fine I would imagine with the standard patato textures. But install the "optional textures" and I am almost certain you will have issues.

According to HU (since they're now considered to be "reputable"

), it should be fine at 1440.

Especially if you use FSR, although based on my experience, at 1440p, you won't want to be using it, as it harms IQ too much.

EDIT:

Computerbase.de show it to be ok too:

But with this game, who knows as it seems to be hit and miss.... as iirc, tommy said he had issues with the 3070 at 1440p with HD textures and max settings.

Tired9 · 10 Apr 2022 at 14:03

I don't use FSR anywhere as it is inferior to DLSS if it is available mind you which FC6 don't have it.
FPS from that graph looks completely fine so should not have much of an issue.

I have to install it to my WD Red drive, this game is huge with the textures WTF?
Look I understand having sexy textures but Far Cry 5 and ND had sexy textures and are nowhere close to this size for a SP game.

May need to grab another NVME.

Tired9 · 11 Apr 2022 at 10:14

My RTX 3070 was hitting 6 FPS, went to a crawl in the opening scene, I shall upload the video.
I ran it with everything cranked and was hitting 30 FPS, then I turned DXR Shadows off which gave like 0.5 FPS then turned them back on and it destroyed it.

The GPU core was being cut by the memory saturation so was hitting around 150 watts max.

8GB is not enough for FC6 on max settings at 1440P, no idea how the benchmarks have such high numbers.

EDIT, it seems HUB tested at high with DXR on... I tested at Ultra with DXR on, I mean if the 3070 can run at high with DXR there is no real issue I am losing barely any visual quality, but for academic reasons yes FC6 maxed out at 1440P cripples the RTX 3070 at 1440P which is it's sweet spot resolution.

TNA · 11 Apr 2022 at 10:27

Tired9 said:
My RTX 3070 was hitting 6 FPS, went to a crawl in the opening scene, I shall upload the video.
I ran it with everything cranked and was hitting 30 FPS, then I turned DXR Shadows off which gave like 0.5 FPS then turned them back on and it destroyed it.

The GPU core was being cut by the memory saturation so was hitting around 150 watts max.

8GB is not enough for FC6 on max settings at 1440P, no idea how the benchmarks have such high numbers.

EDIT, it seems HUB tested at high with DXR on... I tested at Ultra with DXR on, I mean if the 3070 can run at high with DXR there is no real issue I am losing barely any visual quality, but for academic reasons yes FC6 maxed out at 1440P cripples the RTX 3070 at 1440P which is it's sweet spot resolution.

I think we all knew that would be the case

Tired9 · 11 Apr 2022 at 10:30

It starts out good actually... if you like 30 FPS looking 60-70 FPS.

Also the game loads pretty speedy for a 8TB WD Red HDD.

LtMatt · 11 Apr 2022 at 10:32

TNA · 11 Apr 2022 at 10:35

LtMatt said:

Lol. It was obvious that would happen though to be honest

Tired9 · 11 Apr 2022 at 10:37

TNA said:
Lol. It was obvious that would happen though to be honest

Well at least you now have evidence against some blow hards who think a 3070 is good enough, yeah for lowered settings maybe.
You get lower RT performance on Radeon or lowered settings on Nvidia, seems fair LOL.

I doubt the 3080 is enough.

Nexus18 · 11 Apr 2022 at 10:40

So seems HUB and computerbase.de are wrong then :cry:

Only skimmed and watch part of video tired9 but make sure you restart the game after changing settings as iirc, tommy stated he had these issues without restarting.

LtMatt said:

gpuerrilla · 11 Apr 2022 at 10:50

Tired9 said:
Well at least you now have evidence against some blow hards who think a 3070 is good enough, yeah for lowered settings maybe.
You get lower RT performance on Radeon or lowered settings on Nvidia, seems fair LOL.

I doubt the 3080 is enough.

Thanks Tired.

It was never a case of us vs them or small mind thinking, it just escalates that way on forums as people lose the point of what is being discussed. Regardless of what strange agenda's spawn from it, my take always was from a hardware standpoint this is something that should not be dismissed - particularly by folk that own these cards - why get uptight over it?, just understand how it works and then move on.

What we got was pages of childish posts basically denying this is a problem. Funnily enough by a small cohort of said owners that do not want to accept it.

My concern was people picking this card up in the past year when I seen them post "this should last me a good few years" which should do as long as you don't venture into high textures or need high detail especially on demanding displays. Some people may be thinking of LG C2's or Alienware widescreens for example.

Tired9 · 11 Apr 2022 at 10:52

gpuerrilla said:
Thanks Tired.

It was never a case of us vs them or small mind thinking, it just escalates that way on forums as people lose the point of what is being discussed. Regardless of what strange agenda's spawn from it, my take always was from a hardware standpoint this is something that should not be dismissed - particularly by folk that own these cards - why get uptight over it?, just understand how it works and then move on.

What we got was pages of childish posts basically denying this is a problem. Funnily enough by a small cohort of said owners that do not want to accept it.

My concern was people picking this card up in the past year when I seen them post "this should last me a good few years" which should do as long as you don't venture into high textures or need high detail especially on demanding displays. Some people may be thinking of LG C2's or Alienware widescreens for example.

It's all good, needed a game that was "Known" by the team Red guys to test and FC6 was the one.

I am saying the RTX 3080 is likely not enough because most play at 4K with them, no idea about 1440P.

Nexus18 · 11 Apr 2022 at 11:03

The pages and pages of fc 6 debate was mostly regarding 3080 10gb not the 3070 8gb.....

As I posted only time I experienced the fps drop in FC 6 with max settings at 4k was with rebar on. When the game drops to <£5 I'll get it and upload more and longer footage.

I play at both 3440x1440 and 4k.

gpuerrilla · 11 Apr 2022 at 11:30

Tired9 said:
It's all good, needed a game that was "Known" by the team Red guys to test and FC6 was the one.

I am saying the RTX 3080 is likely not enough because most play at 4K with them, no idea about 1440P.

There were two or three threads this danced about on, one being the FC6 thread.

To give you some history - only because I too wouldn't read every page if I was later to the party, the first holla was - show me some evidence, so it took a while then a game other than Godfall came out that was popular enough to use as an example; it took about 10 months but you would expect that as these games are being created before the hardware is out.

Then once we had a game we could talk about constructively came along, the first thing that was tossed into the ring was 'game is broken', 'must be your setup', 'local system issue' etc.

Some were commenting on it and didn't even own/try the game...

Tired9 · 11 Apr 2022 at 11:32

gpuerrilla said:
There were two or three threads this danced about on, one being the FC6 thread.

To give you some history - only because I too wouldn't read every page if I was later to the party, the first holla was - show me some evidence, so it took a while then a game other than Godfall came out that was popular enough to use as an example; it took about 10 months but you would expect that as these games are being created before the hardware is out.

Then once we had a game we could talk about constructively came along, the first thing that was tossed into the ring was 'game is broken', 'must be your setup', 'local system issue' etc.

Some were commenting on it and didn't even own/try the game...

To be fair with you, you get these on both sides, I had this when I kept going on about my 5700-XT issues on Reddit.

People like this emotionally invest themselves. Plus the fact that many people are 30 or below.
I am not saying people mature always after this age or don't mature before it, but the prefrontal cortex which is involved with critical thought and long term planning is only developed around the age of 25 on average and it shows. Many are just too young or have not experienced life enough to begin to actually think, big difference in maturation of the mind.

The quote by Bruce Lee below is on point.

Things change I've changed · 11 Apr 2022 at 11:35

Tired9 said:
I am saying the RTX 3080 is likely not enough because most play at 4K with them, no idea about 1440P.

Do we have any stats for this?, I run 3440x1440 with my 3080, quite a few people I know irl use an ultrawide like myself.

Tired9 · 11 Apr 2022 at 11:36

Things change I've changed said:
Do we have any stats for this?, I run 3440x1440 with my 3080, lot of people I know irl use an ultrawide like myself.

Well I don't, so off you go to test it out.

Nexus18 · 11 Apr 2022 at 11:54

And to correct @gpuerrilla yet again...

- in all those threads, the vram and gpu in question was the 3080 10gb, not the 3070 8gb, tommy posted about the 3070 8gb but given not many had that and this game, there wasn't much discussion on it, it is only recently the 3070 8gb has become the go to "zOMG not enough vram" because of moving goal posts and narrative

- when FC 6 first released, there were textures rendering/loading issues which affected various owners and was even present on the consoles as per DF video (ubis own footage even showed low res. textures), we had certain people "insisting" that it was 100% because of too little vram despite the developers saying they had found the issue and were working on a fix, fast forward 3-4 patches, that issue was fixed and they also just happened to have lowered the original vram requirement of 16gb vram down to 12gb vram. It was with this patch that several of us noticed RAM usage jump up by 4+GB i.e. whatever ubi had done was shifting some memory management onto the RAM, which is why some of us have found 32GB RAM to be beneficial over 16GB RAM

- said certain people also ignored the fact that were 80+ page threads of various users posting issues even without the HD texture pack being enabled on ubi forums and still to this day, seem to ignore that there are 3090 users reporting fps drops after a certain play time too, however, it was then pointed out that they had "system issues"

- certain people latch onto computerbase.de and pcgh because they showed there to be issues with the 3080 10gb despite no other sites mentioning this, nor HU (who obviously have pointed out issues with the 3070 @ 4k), that and also the lack of user reports, we have just 2 people on this sub-forum reporting issues, meanwhile I have uploaded some footage here with no such issues experienced in my 29 hours of gameplay (@ both 3440x1440 and 4k), that and you would think if it was so common, we would be seeing far more reports....

Given recent discovery of the 3070 @1440p, I find that hilarious as it shows that computerbase.de and HU are wrong, 2 sites that people have been quoting with great delight to prove their points :cry:

Things change I've changed said:
Do we have any stats for this?, I run 3440x1440 with my 3080, quite a few people I know irl use an ultrawide like myself.

For this game, we have 2 forum users and 2 tech sites reporting issues of the 3080 @ 4k.

As stated above, no issues on my end though.

How long do ubi games usually take to drop to £5?