January Transfer Window 2010/2011 Season Rumours/Signings

I'd say we should be listening to offers for RvP as well, should they come in. Yes he borders on world class, but only for the 30 or so games per year he roughly averages. That return, considering he's our highest forward/striker earner isn't good enough so we should cut our losses.
This baffles me. We're making a healthy profit, no need to sell, a player who's brilliant when he does play and has no desire to leave, and yet you want to ship him? :confused:

I mean, maybe buying another outright top-class striker is a fair suggestion, but why not simply keep van Persie so that he can still be good for the 20% of games he's actually fit for? What do we lose by doing that?
 
Van Persie is brilliant and one of the most dedicated players at the club. He's been unlucky with injuries but it doesn't diminish my love for him or the fact that when he plays he's one of the best players on the park nearly every single time. He can also do things that nobody else in the squad could dream of, the kind of things that I watch football for. If Arsenal needed to sell him then there may be a case for it, but I'd keep him until he wanted to leave, one of my favourite players.

He is a bit of a passenger but not through any fault of his own. I'd sell many other players ahead of him.
 
Wanting to get rid? No, I didn't say that in a black and white way - he's a good professional and almost as talented as Cesc. I said listen to offers should we receive them. Our debts are lessening but that doesn't mean we should be wasting money or acting financially imprudent - as much as it saddens me to say it about him, I stand by the fact that a 30 game average per season is too low a return for our top earning forward/striker.

I know that's not a popular opinion (here especially), but I want players to play the game as frequently as possible or at least be available for selection. That's understandable especially considering our recent history with injuries, and the fact we should be trying to maintain four fronts. Surely you remember that several times over the last few years the squad as unit ran out of steam before the season end; injuries have been suffered that have possibly cost us trophies. Stating that the fitness of X Y or Z would have made a difference in the grand scheme of things, isn't an excuse any more.

It's not progressing RvP, he can't offer anything to youngsters unless he's at least training either. He may not want to leave, but for his sake at least could it be possible a fresh start would do him the world of good?

We may not lose anything by him being available part of the time, but imagine if we'd have somebody else that could remain fit? Who though, I have no idea.
 
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RVP has only managed over 30 appearances a season TWICE in his whole career including international appearances, which is frankly terrible. Thats starts though, things go up, but not dramatically when you include sub appearances.

He played 50 games for Arsenal/Holland one year, 32 another year, then 24/21/20/14 in other years. He's perenially injured, but the problem with that is, form, someone who can play 40 games most years is simply more reliable, if Chamakh never receives a real injury while at Arsenal, then more often than not the few times RVP is fit, we'll be dropping an inform player to play an out of form one, even worse, when RVP gets injured again you put back in a player whose now out of form.......... you don't win titles doing that, as has been shown.

Likewise 4-5-1 is still our undoing, we don't have a single out and out winger at the club, Wenger today with two embarassing admissions that show he's lost it.

"Walcott very close to striker role" and generally saying stuff about how he might become the new Henry....... he has, since the day he was born, been utterly incapable as a winger, he's been a striker since LONG before we bought him, he has no other use but being a striker, and Wenger, what 4 years after we got him is JUST starting to realise this? Thats a HUGE problem for me, the fact he can't cross, pass, is very bad at going past people, and normally quite bad at running with the ball(generally more than a few touches before a shot and he'll have got the ball caught in his feet, trod on it or just lost track of where it is.

Likewise he's going on about being surprised at how good Wilshire is???? If you watched last years preseason games and how he completely dominated, played the same way for Bolton, played the same way preseason this year, and frankly has played the same way in the league, he HASN'T improved dramatically in the past 3 months, he's been at maybe 2% off this level since 18 months ago, how is Wenger surprised, I mean, really?


As for keeping RVP and buying someone else, when you start holding on to 80k a week players for the sake of it, just incase they have a good run, you end up with 10 people on 50-100k a week who barely ever play and will never have a real effect on a title run, you're talking about 20-30mil a year on players who aren't playing. We're profitable because, don't forget we charge extortionate ticket fee's compared to pretty much the entire league, and have a huge stadium, we charge more than Utd do, more than Chelsea do, we've got a HUGE wage bill already. Vela's constantly fit yet almost never gets played, if we played a 4-4-2 he could play most games. LIkewise Theo, as a winger its all a joke to be honest.

I've LOVE to keep RVP, and frankly I reckon half out "sicknote" players could be fixed by a change in training style/medical team/management choices but right now he takes more out in wages than he provides in goals/game winning performances. Someone else on 80k a week who can play 40games a year consistantly could help us win a title, RVP in his current fitness levels, can't. I mean, if we didn't have RVP for the past 5 years in only one year has he had a decent effect on the team(50 game year) where we won nothing, we'd have saved 15mil in wages, and had 80k spare on the wage bill, we could have signed VDV for essentially free.

Fabregas has missed almost a season across the last 3 with hamstring problems, 2-0 up, against City, who showed no real threat, 1 man down with plenty of quality on the bench and Fabregas was played up till around the 80th minute IIRC, then played in another full tough game straight after, and he took a LOT of big tackles against City aswell. Anyone with half a brain would have given him a break and bought on someone in the 60th minute or so. West Ham are way way better than their position shows but playing him in a long tough City game taking lots of hits, than a full game against a tough midfield tackling West Ham, asking for trouble.

We don't rest players, we don't make subs when the games over to protect those with injuries, we rush people back, and pay zero attention to upcoming schedual. Would RVP have done his ankle for Holland if we hadn't played him in every minute of a completely walk over win right before the international break, who knows, a smart man knowing he was going to be picked for Holland would have given him a rest and used someone like Vela.
 
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He played 50 games for Arsenal/Holland one year, 32 another year, then 24/21/20/14 in other years. He's perenially injured, but the problem with that is, form
Interesting, because RvP's form when coming back from injury has actually never been a particular issue, as much as you'd like to theorise that it might be.

You mention he's started 50 - 32 - 24 - 21 - 20 - 14 games,
Yet leave out the goal stats: 30 - 15 - 11 - 11 - 9 - 10 (I assume you mean 18 starts here? I can't see a season he only did 14 games).

Or lets take the period from 2004 to this summer, when Chamakh's been a regular starter and RvP has spent as much time as possible warming our injury bench.

Chamakh: 252 apps, 65 goals
van Persie: 196 apps, 73 goals

A better return, significantly less games, and several long periods out injured. Form is no issue here.

As for keeping RVP and buying someone else, when you start holding on to 80k a week players for the sake of it, just incase they have a good run, you end up with 10 people on 50-100k a week who barely ever play and will never have a real effect on a title run, you're talking about 20-30mil a year on players who aren't playing.
I'm not talking about hanging on to Gibbs because he manages to play one game every two months, or signing up Jonathon Woodgate on a £300k per week wage, I'm stating the case for one very good player, who has proven his ability for us, time and again. Don't use some kind of slippery slope nonsense on me like this will turn us into Portsmouth if we don't sell RvP as soon as possible. I mean sure, if we needed to sell him, to buy someone else, I'd grudgingly accept it, but we don't.

I think a good comparison would be Ledley King for Spurs. Sure, he's out injured loads, but when he does play, he rarely puts a foot wrong. So fr a club with no need to sell, what's the big deal?

Oh, and can we have a forum ban on evaluating every amount of money to its equivalent value in Rafael van der Vaarts please? It's bad enough how much Nickg won't shut up about it, but if I'm going to have to read "OMG WE COULD HAVE BOUGHT VDV" every time a team spends more than £8m, I think I'm just going to start blanking out posts.
 
you can try weebull. but the more vdv does it in front of these managers noses, the more likely it is that we will have some kind of demented frenzy, such as that which saw berbatov going to man utd.

and if the managers can see it, then the fans will be able to also. and they will be justified in asking, why didnt we just do this 12 months ago when he was a 3rd of the cost?
 
Haven't you heard? Due to football inflation FIFA are implementing their own currency, the Rafael van der Vaart, now every transaction will be conducted in VDVs.

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no.

thats not the whole story though is it?

Spurs have a history of buying good players at low prices - and only AFTER they have literally been dangled in fergusons face repeatedly will he bite. but when he does bit he has a tendency to go in, chequebook open, no questions asked.

for instance, for the price of berbatov we could have bought, Modric (16mil), Bale (5mil to 10mil) and VdV (8mil).

So how can we buy so badly and spurs buy so well?

thing is fergie will want all of these new spurs players and if he has to spend 30mill for each one again, where does that put us?! id say in a world of pain because we cant afford one of them now at £30mil, let alone all 3.

you cant trust fergie to spend 30mill on a player these days, so the board wont let him imo.
 
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Manchester United are reportedly looking to add 3 Van Der Vaarts to their squad this January
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Meanwhile Chelsea are potentially after 5 Van Der Vaarts, including one to replace Cech, and another to replace Carlo Ancilotti
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Manchester City are about to make a sensational swoop for 25 Van Der Vaarts in an unprecedented squad rebuild this January. Including the new VDV w/gloves to replace Joe Hart.
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Yes, I'm avoiding work.
 
no.

thats not the whole story though is it?

Spurs have a history of buying good players at low prices - and only AFTER they have literally been dangled in fergusons face repeatedly will he bite. but when he does bit he has a tendency to go in, chequebook open, no questions asked.

for instance, for the price of berbatov we could have bought, Modric (16mil), Bale (5mil to 10mil) and VdV (8mil).

So how can we buy so badly and spurs buy so well?

thing is fergie will want all of these new spurs players and if he has to spend 30mill for each one again, where does that put us?! id say in a world of pain because we cant afford one of them now at £30mil, let alone all 3.

you cant trust fergie to spend 30mill on a player these days, so the board wont let him imo.

Maybe they're either just a) Incredibly lucky, or b) Spurs is a much better environment for building good players than United?

Perhaps more importantly though, if they buy so well with all these great players, why are they not above you? You must be doing something right.
 
Maybe they're either just a) Incredibly lucky, or b) Spurs is a much better environment for building good players than United?

Perhaps more importantly though, if they buy so well with all these great players, why are they not above you? You must be doing something right.

lucky to buy carrick, berbatov, vdv, modric and bale? luck is when something happens pretty infrequently imo. this is more a testament to good scouting and a willingness to take a chance.

why arent spurs above us? because they sell their players once they get into their peak form to us, and then have to rebuild using that money.

the spine of UTD sucess has come from Rios and Rooneys, players that spurs could never have attracted, let alone sign for 30mil
 
lucky to buy carrick, berbatov, vdv, modric and bale? luck is when something happens pretty infrequently imo. this is more a testament to good scouting and a willingness to take a chance.

why arent spurs above us? because they sell their players once they get into their peak form to us, and then have to rebuild using that money.

the spine of UTD sucess has come from Rios and Rooneys, players that spurs could never have attracted, let alone sign for 30mil

I move to my second point then, a better environment. Maybe the lack of pressure (in comparison) not playing for Manchester United helps these same players flourish where with you they would have failed? I'm sure you have more money invested in better and further reaching scouts than Spurs.
 
I fail to see what Man Utd have to do with Spurs signing Modric et al. different players go to different clubs, just how it is. Spurs have bought quite well recently, Man Utd haven't.
 
Spurs have a history of buying good players at low prices - and only AFTER they have literally been dangled in fergusons face repeatedly will he bite. but when he does bit he has a tendency to go in, chequebook open, no questions asked.
Alternately, he buys a player after they have proven themselves in the Premier League, because why gamble when you can (or at least, could) afford to spend a little more?

for instance, for the price of berbatov we could have bought, Modric (16mil), Bale (5mil to 10mil) and VdV (8mil).
Yes, you could have bought those players. You could also have bought infinity x Cesc Fabregas on account of how we got him for a free. But you didn't. Get over it.

You can't expect your manager to make every good buy every made in the history. Sometimes other teams do well too. Spurs have a good scouting network and a chairman who's good at keeping the prices down.

So how can we buy so badly and spurs buy so well?
So well they've yet to finish above you in the league any time recently?

thing is fergie will want all of these new spurs players and if he has to spend 30mill for each one again, where does that put us?! id say in a world of pain because we cant afford one of them now at £30mil, let alone all 3.
Not really Fergie's fault you can't spend £30m on a player these days though is it?

This is just another excuse for you to criticise your least favourite United players (Carrick/Berbatov) on account of how they haven't been as good as their price tag would suggest. I'll say it again: get over it, it happens.

I notice you never praise Ferguson for the signing of Hernandez? Given that he cost about the same as VdV, in the interests of fairness, and has had about the same relative impact, shouldn't you be complimenting Fergie for this bit of business every time you whine about not signing "OMG VDV EIGHT MILLION"? :)
 
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