The R9 290 series and GTX1080ti could well be the "8800GTX" of this decade in terms of bang for bucks and longevity
And the 980Ti too.
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The R9 290 series and GTX1080ti could well be the "8800GTX" of this decade in terms of bang for bucks and longevity
No, AMD never intended to give a consumer gaming card that much bandwidth. It all comes back to the fact that it is a salvaged part from failed Instinct Mi60 GPUs. Once the 4 stacks of HBM2 are mounted to the interpose you can't remove them. Therefore you get 16GB VRM with 1TB/S bandwidth, of the whole lot goes in the bin.
If AMD wanted to have a dedicated gaming part they would have stuck to 2 stacks of HBM for 8GB and 512GB/s
Can't argue with that. I do love my UW screen but paid £1400 for it and that is mental when you consider you can get a 55" OLED for a little more (last time I checked).I totally agree. The 2080 was one of the most disappointing Nvidia products I can remember and made quite a few YouTubers' worst products of the year lists, for AMD to match this in terms of performance and price while having fewer features is not a good strategy.
Monitors are also a big bone of contention for me vs TVs, you get so much less for your money. Where are all the 1440P OLED HDR monitors for a reasonable price (£500-700)?
Some youtube "experts" are suggesting they could make it cheaper by removing half the ram. Not really sure how that's supposed to work considering it would half the memory bandwidth plus as they're supposedly instinct cards that didn't make the cut the ram would already be on the package, even if they disabled it the fact its on there costs them money and hurts the card overall.
Same as the gddr 6 argument, the core was setup for hbm as was the pcb design, changing to gddr6 would require a lot of work on both the core as well as having to design a new pcb with traces for the ram modules, PLUS having to alter the heatsink to make sure the ram modules had places to touch the heatsink material to help dissipate heat.
And the 980Ti too.
This is AMD's Volta equivalent, Navi will be their Turing equivalent. This is a good sign of what AMD can bring to the table later this year with Navi, I expect a 4096 core Navi to be firmly in between the VII and the 2080Ti, whilst having a smaller die size than the VII and GDDR6 over HBM2.
And if AMD manage to increase core count for Navi past the 4096 core limit, I'd say we'd be looking at 2080Ti levels of performance for a lot less die size, but there's still a lot of speculation over whether that will happen.
It's not the core count limiting the performance. With Navi they could go with fewer cores and have better performance still compared to Vega 7.
...but AMD will have to bring it past that current 64 CU/4096 core limit if they want to beat the 2080Ti in overall performance.
But that's not what Navi is about. Navi was always suggested to be a tiny chip focussed squarely and purely at the midrange market facing off everything RTX 2070 and down. That approach was given further credence by the AdoredTV leaks with naming convention, performance point and price.
And if roadmaps are still on track, everything is reset with Arcturus in about 20 months, so I can't see Navi getting the "big" treatment as it will just be a sidegrade from the Radeon 7, albeit at a lower price point.
This is exactly the point. 7-8% more FP64 performance for 4.29X the price.
I hope you are not using any of these, especially in CrossFire or SLi only to play games.
No
The point you tried to defend was the bandwidth was needed on the Radeon VII because of the FP64 performance.
I pointed out that the Titan V has better FP64 performance despite having a lot less memory bandwidth.
The argument has nothing to do with price and everything to do with you making a mistake and trying to cover it up.
For sure! Mate is running one with an Acer 1440p Gsync monitor (2500k too) and happy as a pig in ****
I never argued about the memory bandwidth. It is a result of using four HBM2s. If they use two, the bandwidth will be half. If they use four but with half the capacity, the bandwidth will remain the same.
The mid range Navi that will launch first will definitely be a smaller chip, but they are also rumoured to launch a high end Navi towards the end of the year or this time next year. That should be a direct competitor to the likes of the RTX 2080 and 2080Ti and maybe even the Titan RTX.
The only thing I've ever heard about a "Big" Navi was in the Navi AdoredTV video when Jim said his source had "seen a Big Navi running and it was impressive". And there's been nothing else. And why would a Big Navi wait until mid 2020 when that's when Arcturus is expected?
It's possible the Radeon 7 is the start of a new pattern: AMD's current gen is built to the max to cover the top tier with the new architecture starting small to cover the midrange. So Radeon 7 covers off the 2080 now, Navi 10 covers 2070 and down. Then Navi 20 replaces the Radeon 7 at the top around this time next year with new Arcturus chips replacing Navi 10 later on. A year later there's a big Arcturus and Arcturus+ comes in.
Who knows.
We'll see how things pan out come Computex. If there's not talk of Navi in June then I'd be a bit worried about what's going on.