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** The AMD Navi Thread **

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by subbytna, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. humbug

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    Why do you think he's gone? Koduri has been a pain in Lisa's side, IMO that sabbatical was the sack. :)
     
  2. Chrisc

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    yeah i agree.
     
  3. JediFragger

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    Got any source for that info? Their working relationship could of been good for all we know, and it's just your personal opinion reflecting on the situation of him leaving for Intel.
     
  4. Gregster

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    Yer, nobody ever mentions NVidia pricing and how super expensive it is!
     
  5. TheRealDeal

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    Actually the chart shows after the 390/Fury series launch they gained 4% market share so no I am right. Polaris gained them more. Yea I do remember the pricing but that was mainly due to eol 290/390/390x deals. The same can be seen with Navi as Vega64/56 pricing makes it look like a non starter. Again decent pricing from AMD will get them some share and the graph proves it. How much share I don't know.
     
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  6. Zernath

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    Mention it they do, heavily criticise and refuse to pay it they do not. If you're buying the overpriced product, then it stands to reason that you're happy with the pricing, otherwise you wouldn't pay it. Just saying.
     
  7. nashathedog

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    Hi I'm not sure what you mean by gone, I mean he's gone from the company, & good riddance. :)

    Hi, Raj Koduri was sacked, I struggle to see how people can think otherwise, He intentionally covered up what was really going on and he purposely mislead & lied to consumers, Vega was the nail in his coffin because he handled the release like you'd handle a 2 week old tuna corpse, After that train wreck he was immediately off on an alleged sabbatical to spend time with his family that he never came back from. The day he went we knew he wasn't coming back.
     
  8. melmac

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    LOL, sorry. Not sure how anybody can look at that graph you posted and think that. 4% market share gain in a time when Nvidia had nothing new out and people were waiting for Pascal cards. The only times they made market share is when Nvidia had nothing out, like at the Polaris launch. And it wasn't even that significant, not even 10%

    To put it simply, pricing cheap has not worked for AMD, it hasn't got them significant market share and the few times they have gained a small increase they haven't been able to keep it. Just look at the graph, AMD's market share is going down constantly.
     
  9. Gregster

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    I think you need to look in the "Something super is coming" thread and you will see everyone jumping on and criticising the prices. Just sayin....
     
  10. hyperseven

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    Sooo people do not criticise NVidia for their prices :rolleyes: Aye OK :rolleyes:
     
  11. Zernath

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    Yet they will pay them, which makes any criticism of said prices nothing but hot air. If people didn't buy, Nvidia wouldn't charge. ;)
     
  12. queamin

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    Didn't Raj Koduri wanted to split up cpu and gpu departments up to make them separate.
     
  13. nashathedog

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    Definitely. It's okay preferring a brand but the issue in question is making recomendations based on your preference rather than what is the better recomendation at that time, It's possible I've done it in the past myself but you live & learn & I tend to make my own purchases more about which is the better product for me at that time.
     
  14. Gregster

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    I was picking up your statement about how people criticise AMD for it and yet, people are happy to buy NVidia.
     
  15. ltron

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    It's either that or buy second hand. Also, AMD haven't got a 2080 TI competitor so what are we supposed to do if we want that level of performance?
     
  16. TheRealDeal

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    I never said they would gain a substantial share in the first place. I would think 8-10% is classed as a pretty substantial gain though. They even managed to hold onto it for a while but i think it's back down now. My point was if AMD price the cards properly they will gain share and the graph proves that to be the case. Will they ever get back up to 40% which used to be around the norm for Ati/Amd with pricing alone, most likely not. For that to happen they would need to be leading in price while having the faster cards at every segment and even then it might not matter.

    Nvidia have a huge fan base that will just buy there cards even if AMD had superior products. As you say being the price performance leader for years never worked. Again my only point was if Navi had a way better price they would gain some share or Nvidia would react with there own pricing to stop that happening. So imo Navi is priced as to where AMD can make some hay for every card they do sell which is probably a better strategy than getting very little back like they have with Vega/R7.
     
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  17. JediFragger

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    Rubbish, and again pure opinion/speculation without anything substantial (quotes from either person?) to back it up.
     
  18. Martini1991

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    The way he disappeared after Vega release is pretty much proof enough that things went wrong.
     
  19. JediFragger

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    Yes but that's my point, pure speculation and we'll never truely know what happened. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got one.
     
  20. Raelgun

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    Maybe, however I would say this might be DX12, a lot of DX11 games tend to be geometry, as nice as it is for AMD to have a strong card, they will likely want to have all vega and polaris stocks gone.

    No really, if the geometry issue that has plagued AMD cards vs Nvidia has been improved, then the 5700 XT will be better then the VII in most games as a lot of games are still geometry which is in a lot of DX11 games.

    I know a lot of really big AAA games are DX12 but a lot of recent AAA games releases have been shambles and not good games.