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** The AMD Navi Thread **

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by subbytna, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. Gregster

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    I was picking up your statement about how people criticise AMD for it and yet, people are happy to buy NVidia.
     
  2. ltron

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    It's either that or buy second hand. Also, AMD haven't got a 2080 TI competitor so what are we supposed to do if we want that level of performance?
     
  3. TheRealDeal

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    I never said they would gain a substantial share in the first place. I would think 8-10% is classed as a pretty substantial gain though. They even managed to hold onto it for a while but i think it's back down now. My point was if AMD price the cards properly they will gain share and the graph proves that to be the case. Will they ever get back up to 40% which used to be around the norm for Ati/Amd with pricing alone, most likely not. For that to happen they would need to be leading in price while having the faster cards at every segment and even then it might not matter.

    Nvidia have a huge fan base that will just buy there cards even if AMD had superior products. As you say being the price performance leader for years never worked. Again my only point was if Navi had a way better price they would gain some share or Nvidia would react with there own pricing to stop that happening. So imo Navi is priced as to where AMD can make some hay for every card they do sell which is probably a better strategy than getting very little back like they have with Vega/R7.
     
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  4. JediFragger

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    Rubbish, and again pure opinion/speculation without anything substantial (quotes from either person?) to back it up.
     
  5. Martini1991

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    The way he disappeared after Vega release is pretty much proof enough that things went wrong.
     
  6. JediFragger

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    Yes but that's my point, pure speculation and we'll never truely know what happened. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got one.
     
  7. Raelgun

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    Maybe, however I would say this might be DX12, a lot of DX11 games tend to be geometry, as nice as it is for AMD to have a strong card, they will likely want to have all vega and polaris stocks gone.

    No really, if the geometry issue that has plagued AMD cards vs Nvidia has been improved, then the 5700 XT will be better then the VII in most games as a lot of games are still geometry which is in a lot of DX11 games.

    I know a lot of really big AAA games are DX12 but a lot of recent AAA games releases have been shambles and not good games.
     
  8. Rup

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    Well Raj Koduri got a nice job at Intel straight away, so I think he's quite happy!
     
  9. MyBrains

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    Well with Intels past record of failures (other stuff away from CPU's).. he'll feel at home over there :p
     
  10. Zernath

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    Well, wanting and needing are two very different things. I want a 2080ti level of performance, but do I need it? :p
     
  11. Panos

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    Exactly. Many criticize AMD for the 5700XT price at $450 MSRP, yet they forget that 2070 has $500 MSRP and the 2070 FE $600.

    When we argued last October about the 2080/2080Ti price their motto was "you pay for the extra performance".
     
  12. Besty

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    whatever can provide a capped 100fps average at 1080p hdr with all the major whistles on will be enough for most, laptop or desktop.

    A liquid cooled 1080ti with 120% power cap gets us there (sans Ray Tracing) we just need to be able to make it fairly quiet by significantly reducing the power draw with a 7nm alternative and i think AMD will do it within the next 12 months.

    Once this market is cracked the battleground becomes on edge cases such as VR, 1440p, 4k and others.

    Then it becomes really interesting because for the first time ever(?) we will have a situation where a lower-end card will be all that is required for an exceptional 1080p gaming experience.
     
  13. FoxEye

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    This is rubbish. Nobody has forgotten nV's pricing and nobody is giving them a free ride for it.

    Guff.
     
  14. StriderX

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    xnvm
     
  15. nashathedog

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    You're right we're never going to get anyone to confirm how it went down but my opinion is based on common sense & knowing how things work in any business, If you choose to ignore the facts we do know that's up to you but everything points to his being sacked, There's the sudden sabbatical straight after the Vega release, The flak AMD was recieving on & after the Vega release were all down to how he handled things & the decisions he made in the 2 years leading up to it's release, If his leaving Radeon was a planned event there would of been someone ready to take his place, but there wasn't Lisa Su had to stand in while they found someone to fill the vacancy, That is not what happens during a planned staff change especially not for the top spot. You can believe what you want as will I knowing the facts speak for themselves, Raja Koduri lost his job with Radeon because of his own ineptitude.
     
  16. Zernath

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    Maybe, but if people are still buying, then what good is this criticism? If you pay the premium, then you're saying that it's acceptable. That's the message these companies are getting, and they will continue to push the boundaries as long as the money keeps coming.

    We need the new generation of consoles to arrive and start competing with PC, because if this gouging continues, consoles might actually become the more attractive option for everyone but the most diehard enthusiasts.
     
  17. hyperseven

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    :confused: How can the 'facts speak for themselves' if you dont know the ACTUAL facts behind his departure and move? He might have been poached by Intel long ago and he was just biding his time and making sure he could pilfer as many trade secrets as possible. Anyhow real reasons are probably tightly locked behind an NDA so we will have to wait for his or Su's memoirs to be published to find the truth.
     
  18. CAT-THE-FIFTH

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    https://segmentnext.com/2019/06/26/playstation-5-benchmarks-gonzalo-apu-beats-rtx-2070/

    The latest leak puts the PS5 GPU performance above a Vega64 or GTX1080.

    So an 8C/16T Ryzen 2 CPU and perhaps RTX2070 or RX5700XT performance?? The score is apparently over 4 times higher than the original PS4.
     
  19. FoxEye

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    Well I'm in no danger of buying any nV cards any time soon, I can assure you. Despite being an "nVidia shill" (I get that a lot :p)

    And yes, the PS5 is going to be massively interesting for me, when it releases. (The ShooterBox, not so much :p)
     
  20. tyler_jrb

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    It will be quicker but take a lot of those benchmarks with a grain of salt. What were they running that 2080 at 1515mhz stock? :D:p